Page 68 of 201 FirstFirst ... 1858666768697078118168 ... LastLast
Results 671 to 680 of 2002

Thread: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

  1. #671
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:24 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,548

    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    from Turtle



    You do not have to guess about anything. The difference is the ability of folks like me to deal with REALITY as things are and folks like you who want to make ridiculous comparisons using a version of three card Montie. Deal with things as they are without creating your own perverted versions of what people say. Burn your legion of strawmen and your silly comparisons "this is just like" because it never ever is . Deal with reality.
    the reality is that you want dems to win elections and you will make all sorts of arguments to justify anything that helps dems win even if it totally ruins this country.

    you justify allowing millions to demand others pay for them because those millions tend to vote dem because dems promise them that others will be tasked with funding what those millions want



  2. #672
    Sage
    Barbbtx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    W'Ford TX
    Last Seen
    11-10-12 @ 08:04 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    8,467

    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Ok... that doesn't change anything though? You can interchange the words but the equation is still:

    income/revenue - expense/spending = profit/loss

    It's still linear. Get a graphing calculator.
    spending= having less money than I had before

    That's how my budget works anyway. No debt involved.
    Catawa is my favorite bleeding heart liberal.
    1/27/12

  3. #673
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:54 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,605

    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I keep waiting for you to respond to the content of the post. Liberals are intellectually dishonest and I include you in that statement. "I don't care" does define liberals quite well.
    What content? There was content there?
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  4. #674
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:13 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,249

    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What content? There was content there?
    There isn't? You are a waste of time.

  5. #675
    Sage
    whysoserious's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Charlotte, NC
    Last Seen
    12-29-16 @ 03:02 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    8,170

    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    With the attitude you have about business and profits I would expect you to give most of your money away sinc someone else needs it more than you. You really need to take some good business classes to learn about profit, losses, and investments thus risk taking. What bothers me is that you don't seem to understand how business works and where the money comes from to pay wages, benefits, and shareholders.
    I have taken the early classes for business, but I don't have much of a need to go much further. I can read financial statements (I can even make financial statements from ledgers). The classes I have taken regarding these subjects are Financial Accounting, Managerial Accounting, Micro and Macro Economics, Theory of Interest, Actuary Math I, Probability & Stat I & II, and Risk Management and Insurance.

    I understand how business works. I just don't agree with you about supply-side economics. I don't see how that means that I don't understand how business works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, and yet about 70% of the people in this country are invested in the stock market betting on companies making a profit so they can get dividends and share price appreciation. Without profits there are no businesses, employees, or shareholders.
    That's true about profits. What does that have to do with not lowering taxes in Wisconsin? Were businesses not making profits there?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Shareholders are anyone that holds a position in a publicly traded company and yes that could include teachers who have a 401K and that money invested in the markets.
    Yes, 401k's are invested in a multitude of different areas. Those types of retirement accounts, which are generally governed by a third-party rather than the individual who owns it, are about as deep as the typical person gets into the market. This is actually smart, since the market is akin to gambling and really requires a ton of knowledge in not only the companies to invest in but also probability.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Who should make that determination, you? You think because you know what a bull spread is, how it is used, or how to create a synthetic forward and short has anything to do with the thread topic, public unions, or how those evil corporations operate? Nice try at diversion
    I think the company makes that determination? Otherwise, instead of cutting taxes, it would be the government that would make that designation.

    Keep in mind, I only brought up my knowledge because you consistently attack my level of intelligence. I hope you reconsider.

    *Edit:

    And I never called corporations evil. Thanks!
    Last edited by whysoserious; 02-23-11 at 11:07 PM.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

  6. #676
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:54 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,605

    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There isn't? You are a waste of time.
    And you keep spending yours here arguing with people who you will never convert.

    The fact is that in your post, you completely ignored my very patient response with you in which I pointed out that all people pay taxes and pay them at about the same percentage of their income.

    You are obsessed with the income tax because you are trying to make a politically extremist and ideologically right wing point about progressive taxation. You and folks like Turtle have made that crystal clear in hundreds of your posts where you repeat the same thing over and over and over and over in thread after thread after thread after thread no matter what the real topic is.

    And then you have the unmitigated gall to pretend that it is you who are not being treated fairly here. Amazing.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  7. #677
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:24 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,548

    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And you keep spending yours here arguing with people who you will never convert.

    The fact is that in your post, you completely ignored my very patient response with you in which I pointed out that all people pay taxes and pay them at about the same percentage of their income.

    You are obsessed with the income tax because you are trying to make a politically extremist and ideologically right wing point about progressive taxation. You and folks like Turtle have made that crystal clear in hundreds of your posts where you repeat the same thing over and over and over and over in thread after thread after thread after thread no matter what the real topic is.

    And then you have the unmitigated gall to pretend that it is you who are not being treated fairly here. Amazing.
    1) your claim about taxes is dubious at best and fails to address the fact that many don't pay what for what they use.

    2) you repeat the same thing over and over

    3) and he was right



  8. #678
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:54 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,605

    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) your claim about taxes is dubious at best and fails to address the fact that many don't pay what for what they use.

    2) you repeat the same thing over and over

    3) and he was right
    1- you continue to suffer from CONSTANT COSTCO CONFUSION. It is a self induced willful malady in which the individual confuses a retail shopping experience with the relationship of a citizen to their government.
    2- since you have repeated the same tripe over and over again in thread after thread, it is rather hypocritical for you to criticize me or anyone for countering you with the truth.
    3- you never presented any date, information or authoritative opinion to support that claim.

    But what else is new?
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  9. #679
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:24 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,548

    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    1- you continue to suffer from CONSTANT COSTCO CONFUSION. It is a self induced willful malady in which the individual confuses a retail shopping experience with the relationship of a citizen to their government.
    2- since you have repeated the same tripe over and over again in thread after thread, it is rather hypocritical for you to criticize me or anyone for countering you with the truth.
    3- you never presented any date, information or authoritative opinion to support that claim.

    But what else is new?
    your silly rants about Cosco ignore many things

    since you and others constantly whine that it is fair for the rich to pay as much as the masses-through their representatives decide since the rich cannot outvote the many I certainly can note that its not fair to demand others pay for what you use and refuse to pay for because the current system allows the many to vote themselves the wealth of others

    what have you provided in support of your claims that the current system is Better?



  10. #680
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:13 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,249

    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    whysoserious;1059305577]I have taken the early classes for business, but I don't have much of a need to go much further. I can read financial statements (I can even make financial statements from ledgers). The classes I have taken regarding these subjects are Financial Accounting, Managerial Accounting, Micro and Macro Economics, Theory of Interest, Actuary Math I, Probability & Stat I & II, and Risk Management and Insurance.

    I understand how business works. I just don't agree with you about supply-side economics. I don't see how that means that I don't understand how business works.
    I have seen no evidence that you know how business works. Supply side is the only economic model that works and benefits the individual. I spent 35 years in the business world and can tell you that you don't know what you think you know.


    That's true about profits. What does that have to do with not lowering taxes in Wisconsin? Were businesses not making profits there?
    Lowering taxes attracts new business and those businesses hire workers who also pays taxes. Supply side creates jobs and when you provide incentive to move into an area jobs and revenue grow.


    Yes, 401k's are invested in a multitude of different area. Those types of retirement accounts, which are generally governed by a third-party rather than the individual who owns it, are about as deep as the typical person gets into the market. This is actually smart, since the market is akin to gambling and really requires a ton of knowledge in not only the companies to invest in but also probability.
    The individual investor in 401K has control over their money and options where to put it. They tell the third party where to put their investment and most of them put it in stocks or stock funds. Those stocks are affected by profits and without those profits people will lose their investment.

    I
    think the company makes that determination? Otherwise, instead of cutting taxes, it would be the government that would make that designation.
    It doesn't sound to me like you believe the company should make that determination since apparently you believe the company screws its employees.

    Keep in mind, I only brought up my knowledge because you consistently attack my level of intelligence. I hope you reconsider.
    It isn't your intelligence I am attacking it is your business knowledge and basic common sense.

    And I never called corporations evil. Thanks!

    Good, corporations aren't evil, they hire people, supplement shareholder retirement income, are good corporate citizens, and they pay a ton in taxes but corporate and the employees personal income taxes.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •