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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    one of the more silly errors some lefties labor under is the concept that the government has GIVEN most of the rich their wealth and that justifies the government TAKING that wealth back
    You think the free market will fix it? A revolution eventually would, but the free market doesn't adjust for the plebs. The free market is the most makes Darwinism look nice.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Time to cut your bills down to a more managable level or --- get a 2nd job.

    The horror!!
    Or don't take the pay cut, and cut your bills down. That works. But don't just do one and then bitch about the other. Again, it's a linear relationship so each one is just as much to blame as the other.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am not obsessed with one particular tax over others the way the extreme right wing is. I do not think the income tax is the be all and end all of taxation. In fact, when you add in ALL taxation paid to ALL levels of government for ALL things - what you find out is that the difference between the extreme rich pay and what the rest of us pay is about 1.5% of our income.

    Bottom line: we all pay about the same percentage in total taxes. Rich folks may pay more in actual dollars but average folks pay a higher percentage of their income in regressive taxes.. and there are a whole lot more of those than there are progressive ones. But this is nothing new to you is it? This has been explained to you over and over and over again in thread after thread after thread almost every time this silly 47% subject comes up.

    But yet again, it will roll off of you like water off a ducks back and you will continue to obsess about the 47% and income tax. It will be like no ugly reality has disturbed your world at all.
    Lets examine this logic

    its like saying to a private school-you ought to give my son a scholarship even though every other parent pays the 15K a year tuition because I spend all my money on car payments and food and booze and after all an expense is an expense

    the fact is not only do those 47 percent use at least a sizeable amount of the stuff FINANCED BY THE INCOME TAX THAT THEY DON'T PAY

    THEY WANT MORE OF THE STUFF THAT THE INCOME TAX FUNDS AND OFTEN demand that the rest of us PAY MORE income taxes to fund their share



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You think the free market will fix it? A revolution eventually would, but the free market doesn't adjust for the plebs. The free market is the most makes Darwinism look nice.
    I'd like a revolution rather than the creeping crud of welfare socialism where more and more people become net tax consumers voting away the wealth of the fewer and fewer net tax payer.

    If we had a full out revolution, we'd wipe out most of the sloths, slackers and the stupid. most of the people well disciplined in the art of arms and killing aren't liberals



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    its like saying to a private school-you ought to give my son a scholarship even though every other parent pays the 15K a year tuition because I spend all my money on car payments and food and booze and after all an expense is an expense
    No.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Insult noted. Do you want extra points for that?



    I'll let you know should that ever be the case. How do you feel about busting the last defense against corporate domination of our government and workers?




    Yes, it does as I prefer worker protection to the corporate influence during the GOP rule. Without the unions, we are at the mercy of corporate rule, which definitely does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling. A preliminary step to a dictatorship is dismantling the unions. I tend to be partial to freedom.
    We're only talking about public unions, and employees payed for by tax payers, not corporate rule. What do you have against public employees having a choice about whether to join a union or not? Right now in Wisconsin they have no choice. They are forced to pay union dues which could be anywhere from 500-1,000 dollars. Nice offset for HC and Pensions they will be paying into huh? If they do away with part of the collective bargaining like Walker is going to do, they can choose to keep that money.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    No.

    This is this. This isn't something else. This is this.

    The great existential philosopher Robert DeNiro made this simple but complex observation in his omnibus study of cheap debate tricks and three card Montie called THE DEERHUNTER.
    I guess that is the difference between a rational conservative and an emoting lefty

    I dont look to hollywood for guidance in how to run my life

    the fact is if you cannot pay your share you shouldn't engage in behavior that makes other people have to pay even more



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    whysoserious;1059305494]I have not hidden the fact that I am a student (no I am not ashamed that I am not rich yet) and that I am studying to be an Actuary. I bring it up often, because you people talk to me like I am stupid. Unfortunately, again, I understand how cash flows better than you might think.
    With the attitude you have about business and profits I would expect you to give most of your money away sinc someone else needs it more than you. You really need to take some good business classes to learn about profit, losses, and investments thus risk taking. What bothers me is that you don't seem to understand how business works and where the money comes from to pay wages, benefits, and shareholders.

    Money can be invested in all sorts of ways. Like I said earlier, it can be invested into various sorts of capital: assets, purchasing back of common stock, it can stay liquid, it can pay off debt, etc. They can do whatever they want with it. It could be invested like you are thinking, I guess, in bonds or other stocks.
    Yes, and yet about 70% of the people in this country are invested in the stock market betting on companies making a profit so they can get dividends and share price appreciation. Without profits there are no businesses, employees, or shareholders.


    Who are shareholders? Teachers? I don't think owning stock is part of the teacher's fringe benefits that you want cut so badly.
    Shareholders are anyone that holds a position in a publicly traded company and yes that could include teachers who have a 401K and that money invested in the markets.



    Shareholders I'd agree with, and some employees, and sometimes even the customer. The question is how much and to who it goes. And I'll let you call me naive when you can explain to me what a bull spread is and how it is used. Or how about how to create a synthetic forward or short. Then we'll talk.
    Who should make that determination, you? You think because you know what a bull spread is, how it is used, or how to create a synthetic forward and short has anything to do with the thread topic, public unions, or how those evil corporations operate? Nice try at diversion

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    I guess that is the difference between a rational conservative and an emoting lefty
    You do not have to guess about anything. The difference is the ability of folks like me to deal with REALITY as things are and folks like you who want to make ridiculous comparisons using a version of three card Montie. Deal with things as they are without creating your own perverted versions of what people say. Burn your legion of strawmen and your silly comparisons "this is just like" because it never ever is . Deal with reality.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This man says it more perfectly than I ever could.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAp-T8Gklw0
    I keep waiting for you to respond to the content of the post. Liberals are intellectually dishonest and I include you in that statement. "I don't care" does define liberals quite well.

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