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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Wow.

    Twisted logic.....

    Reduce your spending Paisan....it will fix everything.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This outright lie needs to be exposed. People who repeat it need to be publicly called out and the equivalent of getting a bucket of cold ice water in their face.

    Just about every husband in America knows that if they came home one day and told their wife that they have made a choice to only work part time from now on and they will have to get by on half the income but its only a matter of adjusting their spending what would be the reaction. "Sorry baby, but its you problem and its not my fault." Cutting your income when you cannot now make ends meets is insanity of the worst order. The fact that it is right wing gospel taken as communion before their altar of worship rivals the Kool-aid of Jim Jones and his wacko religion.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Good lord, Man, do you understand that benefits are income?
    I don't have a listing of median benefits nationwide, (I don't think).

    I do have this:

    May 2009 National Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates
    00-0000 All Occupations 130,647,610 $15.95 $20.90 $43,460 0.1 %
    In 2009, teacher's in Wisconsin were paid a median of $49,000, I think. So that's just over this average of all jobs. Again, since we've shown that income - expenses = profit/loss, and we've also shown that Walker decided tax breaks were more important than negotiating with teachers, I think the news that Walker is discussing politics with who he thought was a major campaign contributor should have destroyed what little credibility he had left.

    However, if you do have some shocking statistic that compares teacher's salaries + fringe benefits to other salaries I would love to see it. I know they do have some excellent benefits since they are government employees.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Too many think the rich have all the money and it's a zero sum game.
    They're to stupid or brainwashed to realize there's enough pie for everyone. They don't have to steal it through redistribution of wealth
    Insult noted. Do you want extra points for that?

    Back to the topic. So how do you feel about the Unions trying to call all the shots and hurting those who don't belong to unions?
    I'll let you know should that ever be the case. How do you feel about busting the last defense against corporate domination of our government and workers?


    Don't you think they have a bit too much power when the union dues they collect buys politicians? SEIU gave 60 million to Obamas campaign. What he said to them was "I know how much more we could accomplish as partners in an Obama administration" Andy Stern former Union Boss was the most frequent visitor to the WH in the beginning. Now we have Union Boss Trumka visiting there 2-3 times a week and talking to someone there daily. Doesn't that give you a warm fuzzy feeling?
    Yes, it does as I prefer worker protection to the corporate influence during the GOP rule. Without the unions, we are at the mercy of corporate rule, which definitely does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling. A preliminary step to a dictatorship is dismantling the unions. I tend to be partial to freedom.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Wow.

    Twisted logic.....

    Reduce your spending Paisan....it will fix everything.
    How is that twisted logic. Again, the equation is not:

    spending = debt

    The equation is:

    income - expense = profit/loss

    It's linear.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I don't have a listing of median benefits nationwide, (I don't think).

    I do have this:

    May 2009 National Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates


    In 2009, teacher's in Wisconsin were paid a median of $49,000, I think. So that's just over this average of all jobs. Again, since we've shown that income - expenses = profit/loss, and we've also shown that Walker decided tax breaks were more important than negotiating with teachers, I think the news that Walker is discussing politics with who he thought was a major campaign contributor should have destroyed what little credibility he had left.

    However, if you do have some shocking statistic that compares teacher's salaries + fringe benefits to other salaries I would love to see it. I know they do have some excellent benefits since they are government employees.

    Let me know where those WMD's are?
    You do realize that the teachers also have benefits included in their compensation and those benefits are quite lucrative but aren't included in the calculations. Nor is the fact that teachers work 9 months out of the year and are funded entirely by the taxpayers. Because they are public unions funded by the Taxpayer, FDR got it right, public unions should have no collective bargaining rights.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I provided facts this morning which you did not address, which destroyed your opinion, which you've ignored and have not addressed with anything whatsoever either.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059304078
    He talked about tax increasing, which is a far cry from just not decreasing taxes for corporations. I would start there before cutting current compensation for people.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I provided facts this morning which you did not address, which destroyed your opinion, which you've ignored and have not addressed with anything whatsoever either.
    LOL! In your mind possibly!
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post

    We most certainly do, review the 2010 Census, read the newspaper, do a little research if you are so far removed from the middle class that you can't see their plight getting worse as the super-rich just get more tax breaks that are added to our debt.
    Who's fault is it to be far removed from the middle class? Sorry pal, that's not my fault and I'm in the middle class and I came from poverty in my family... and I didn't get to the middle class by whining about the rich and their tax breaks. You need to worry less about what others are doing and more about yourself.

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    Poppycock:
    And I'll raise you a "balderdash!".

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    "The ranks of the working poor now exceed 47 million, driven in part by the steep erosion of wage standards throughout our economy. Over the last forty years, the real value of the federal minimum wage has fallen by close to 30%. Even after the 2007-2009 federal increases, the minimum wage remains far too low to sustain working families."

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    "Medical Bills Leading Cause of Bankruptcy, Harvard Study Finds"

    Medical Bills Leading Cause of Bankruptcy, Harvard Study Finds
    Let me raise you some common sense forsooth!

    Forty years ago a young, radical journalist helped ignite the War on Poverty with his pioneering book The Other America. In its pages, Michael Harrington warned that the recently proclaimed age of affluence was a mirage, that beneath the surface of U.S. prosperity lay tens of millions of people stuck in hopeless poverty that only massive government intervention could help.

    Today, a new generation of journalists is straining to duplicate Harrington's feat—to convince contemporary America that its economic system doesn't work for millions and that only government can lift them out of poverty.

    ...

    What's utterly misleading about Ehrenreich's exposé, though, is how she fixes the parameters of her experiment so that she inevitably gets the outcome that she wants—"proof" that the working poor can't make it. Ehrenreich complains that America's supposedly tight labor market doesn't produce entry-level jobs at $10 an hour. For people with no skills, that's probably true in most parts of the country; but everywhere, the U.S. economy provides ample opportunity to move up quickly. Yet Ehrenreich spends only a few weeks with each of her employers, and so never gives herself the chance for promotion or to find better work (or better places to live).

    In fact, few working in low-wage jobs stay in them long. And most workers don't just move on quickly—they also move on to better jobs. The Sphere Institute, a California public-policy think tank founded by Stanford University professors, charted the economic path of workers in the state from 1988 to 2000 and found extraordinary mobility across industries and up the economic ladder.

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    That's a crucial truth that left-wing social thinkers have tried to deny from the earliest days of the welfare-rights movement. And as these books show, even after the conclusive failure of the War on Poverty and the resounding success of welfare reform, they are still at it.
    The Myth of the Working Poor by Steven Malanga, City Journal Autumn 2004

    Yep still at it.

    Yeah, and the bankruptcy myth?

    David Himmelstein and colleagues recently contended that medical problems contribute to 54.5 percent of personal bankruptcies and threaten the solvency of solidly middle-class Americans. They propose comprehensive national health insurance as a solution. A reexamination of their data suggests that medical bills are a contributing factor in just 17 percent of personal bankruptcies and that those affected tend to have incomes closer to poverty level than to middle class. Moreover, for national health insurance to have an impact, it would have to define "medical" expenses in a much broader way than is now typical of either private or government-funded plans.
    Medical Bankruptcy: Myth Versus Fact

    You need to learn that there are myths perpetrated on good people who then swallow them hook line and sinker because they are compassionate about others. This is your wake up call that everything you've been fed, isn't ALL wrong, but it's manipulated to perpetrate a specific thing: To get you to support an ideology based on good intentions which in it's intent is a good act, but is being used for manipulative purposes. There are bankruptcies from medical bills. There are some people who are poor and are part of the working poor. But YOU need to do more research and not just with what you believe but with independent information which is not meant to manipulate. Maybe then, you'll open your eyes.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    LOL! In your mind possibly!
    Link me to your awesome rebuttal that address all of my facts.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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