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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Hey, Pal. I have done the research. Just think of what a hero you could be by proving me wrong? You think I would post data here that was wrong?
    Christ. Fine.

    Teacher Salaries by State
    According to this website, in 2008-09 the median teacher salary nation wide was higher than it is now in Wisconsin.

    The average teacher salary nationwide is $52,308
    USATODAY.com - Teachers paid an average salary of $46,752, survey finds
    Teachers paid an average salary of $46,752, survey finds
    This is in '05. The average salary in '05 was $46,752. Wisconsin's? $42,882.

    0-2 on the first findings for you.

    Earn More! Average Teacher Salary in Wisconsin, WI Teaching Salaries
    Wisconsin ranked 24th in teacher's salary in '09 which is a drop in rankings of 6 from '07 when they were ranked 18th. That makes you 0-3.

    So, I don't know what else you want me to do.


    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    CIA? Wht the hell does the CIA know about economic issues? The Treasury Dept is the checkbook of the United States. I can see why you have no interest in going to the checkbook.
    You do realize the CIA has people in all different fields right? Research, stats, etc.


    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Well there you have it, folks, the Central Intelligence Agency, the agency that said that Saddam Hussein having WMD was a slamdunk is now an expert on education spending. Do you realize how foolish you look?
    So because one guy in the CIA (Tenet) said something dumb you discredit years of their work? All the work they did to take down the Russians (that you no doubt give all the credit to Reagen)? Again, why would the CIA's math not be better than yours?

    The day you can find the present value of an increasing perpetuity by hand is the day we'll talk about your math skills.

    *Edit:

    If trusting the CIA's math over yours makes me look foolish, then oh well. I'll stay foolish.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    After Bush tax cuts: "The new CBO data show that changes in law enacted since January 2001 increased the deficit by $539 billion in 2005. In the absence of such legislation, the nation would have a surplus this year. Tax cuts account for almost half — 48 percent — of this $539 billion in increased costs." source
    CBO makes projections BEA.gov captures the data as does the Treasury Dept. Both show govt. revenue increasing. What the CBO does is take the number of employed and applies the tax cuts to their owed amount now and claim deficit. They ignored the 9 million new taxpayers created by the economy. Seems that the CBO is used when you believe it supports your point of view but ignore it when it doesn't, i.e healthcare law.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    It sure is....and when you resort to roads and bridges and all the rest of it you've lost.

    Nobody can SPEND more than they have...including the Gov.

    If I make 5 bucks I can't spend 7 for very long.

    THE LIBERAL CHICKENS.......HAVE COME HOME TO ROOOOOOOST!!!!


    Your way is done.....thinking American's know it.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And I guess it is also their
    roads
    streets
    mail service
    police protection service
    fire department service
    school system
    and hundreds of other things that THEIR MONEY pays for in a civilized society.

    Some of it is your money. Some of it is due to the government that legally represents all of us in society.

    Short reality: IT AIN'T ALL YOUR MONEY. You are not a freakin island nation responsible to nobody else but you. If you want it that way, start shopping in the international market for such a place.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    You didn't respond to what I rebutted
    .

    Your rebuttal did not address my post.

    You claimed the middle class was suffering as a direct result of income inequality.
    Yes, I've provided Census data that confirms that one-sixth of the nation is now under the poverty line.

    as to the new worry of yours, the poverty figures, do you mean the international poverty line or the U.S. poverty line?
    The US census data is for the US. In 2009 for a family of 4, the poverty line was $21,756.

    I lived in poverty, according to the U.S. poverty line. And I can tell you, it did NOT concern me. Some of the best years of my life looking back.
    Most American living in poverty do not share in your joy.

    Besides, I just pointed you to what raises the most people out of poverty the fastest:
    Yeah, well that hasn't worked so let's try something different.


    [
    I]The point at which the poor start entering the middle class by the millions is the time when poor countries get the maximum benefit from cheap labour through international trade, before they price themselves out of world markets for cheap goods[/I]

    So, it is you solution to make the American middle class work for the same wages as the poor countries? Is that all we need to do to compete? LOL!

    Well the one party system the corporations are working towards should assist you in that goal!

    That's not my theory, that's based on the middle class wiki citing the Economist.
    Well, I've seen that trickle down theory in practice for the last 40 years and we are much worse off that we were when we were before the middle class got hosed in favor of the super-rich.

    Jesus man, we have world economies emerging from the dark ages of central planning clearly evidencing the power of the market, and we STILL have people covering their eyes screaming they don't see it? What? This is NOT partisan, this is about real life.
    Why would we welcome the destruction of the middle class???
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    =whysoserious;1059305256]Christ. Fine.
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    Teacher Salaries by State
    According to this website, in 2008-09 the median teacher salary nation wide was higher than it is now in Wisconsin.

    Good lord, Man, do you understand that benefits are income?

    ou do realize the CIA has people in all different fields right? Research, stats, etc.
    Let me know where those WMD's are?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    CBO makes projections BEA.gov captures the data as does the Treasury Dept. Both show govt. revenue increasing. What the CBO does is take the number of employed and applies the tax cuts to their owed amount now and claim deficit. They ignored the 9 million new taxpayers created by the economy. Seems that the CBO is used when you believe it supports your point of view but ignore it when it doesn't, i.e healthcare law.
    Would you be willing to link me to the BEA.gov and Treasury info, to prove your point?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Tax cuts don't cause debt, spending does? When you get more take home pay is that an expense to the govt?
    An unfunded tax cut = debt.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Oh god.....nobody can make this up.

    Spending = Debt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    An unfunded tax cut = debt.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative;
    Then prove me wrong.
    LOL! He already has. Do you mean again????
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Would you be willing to link me to the BEA.gov and Treasury info, to prove your point?
    BEA links GDP and Receipts/Expense
    U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis

    U.S. Treasury
    Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

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