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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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whysoserious said:
Again, unions were the "free market" response to poor work conditions. So are you for government controlling business or the free market? I am confused. I thought you were conservative.
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What's free market and unions have to do with each other? Unions stifle the free market in my opinion.

Civil Service protection already addresses poor work conditions etc.
 
Barbbtx said:
What's free market and unions have to do with each other? Unions stifle the free market in my opinion.

Civil Service protection already addresses poor work conditions etc.
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Hey...Im all for the unions free market approach and strikes. Im also all for the state replacing the workers. Choice and consequence.
 
Barbbtx said:
What's free market and unions have to do with each other? Unions stifle the free market in my opinion.

Civil Service protection already addresses poor work conditions etc.
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business constantly lobbies to lower worker protections, workplace safety requirements , work to adjust conditions on which overtime has to be paid....without the unions 'in the way', i'm sure this would all be much easier to accomplish...
 
randel said:
business constantly lobbies to lower worker protections, workplace safety requirements , work to adjust conditions on which overtime has to be paid....without the unions 'in the way', i'm sure this would all be much easier to accomplish...
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I'll play your silly game of vague generalities...

Unions constantly lobbies to raise workers pay and compensation packages, protect incompetent and dishonest employees, suckj resources and eventually the life out of state budgets and taxpayers, and killed the job market....without people trying to end the union stranglehold that has chocked the life out of the US job market, Im sure they would eventually manage to drive all industrial jobs overseas and cause the states to go bankrupt trying to pay their contracts
 
VanceMack said:
I'll play your silly game of vague generalities...

Unions constantly lobbies to raise workers pay and compensation packages, protect incompetent and dishonest employees, suckj resources and eventually the life out of state budgets and taxpayers, and killed the job market....without people trying to end the union stranglehold that has chocked the life out of the US job market, Im sure they would eventually manage to drive all industrial jobs overseas and cause the states to go bankrupt trying to pay their contracts
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no 'vague generalities'...this is what the business lobby does...and as far as the last part of your post, your logic makes everyone that draws a paycheck from an employer to be the equal of a parasite....the rest of your post is pure garbage.
 
VanceMack said:
I'll play your silly game of vague generalities...

Unions constantly lobbies to raise workers pay and compensation packages, protect incompetent and dishonest employees, suckj resources and eventually the life out of state budgets and taxpayers, and killed the job market....without people trying to end the union stranglehold that has chocked the life out of the US job market, Im sure they would eventually manage to drive all industrial jobs overseas and cause the states to go bankrupt trying to pay their contracts
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We know what you believe. You have made that clear time and time again. Could you please give us the independent verifiable evidence which created these beliefs?
 
Barbbtx said:
The National Guard to replace those on strike makes sense to me. They would be qualified to do the jobs the Union workers abandoned.
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Oh wow. My bad on reading comprehension. I thought that the NG would work with corrections to make sure the workers didn't strike.
 
haymarket said:
We know what you believe. You have made that clear time and time again. Could you please give us the independent verifiable evidence which created these beliefs?
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Wiki Detroit. Wiki the auto industry. Ask anyone that has been involved with federal employee unions. That should do it.
 
VanceMack said:
Wiki Detroit. Wiki the auto industry. Ask anyone that has been involved with federal employee unions. That should do it.
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why should he do your homework for you?
 
VanceMack said:
Wiki Detroit. Wiki the auto industry. Ask anyone that has been involved with federal employee unions. That should do it.
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You made the claim - you present your evidence. The last time I looked, the auto industry itself wanted help to preserve its labor unions and liked the arrangement and its workers. And the auto companies have turned around into profitability with UNION WORKERS.

So please give me some real evidence.
 
randel said:
no 'vague generalities'...this is what the business lobby does...and as far as the last part of your post, your logic makes everyone that draws a paycheck from an employer to be the equal of a parasite....the rest of your post is pure garbage.
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So thats FUNNY!!! YOU make vague generalities about 'what business does' but its not FAIR to make those same vague generalities about unions... :lamo
 
haymarket said:
You made the claim - you present your evidence. The last time I looked, the auto industry itself wanted help to preserve its labor unions and liked the arrangement and its workers. And the auto companies have turned around into profitability with UNION WORKERS.

So please give me some real evidence.
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and and and they gave the workers a BONUS!!:shock: WHICH THEY WILL SPEND!!:shock::shock: WHICH WILL HELP THE ECONOMY!!!:shock: oh the humanity!!:mrgreen:
 
haymarket said:
You made the claim - you present your evidence. The last time I looked, the auto industry itself wanted help to preserve its labor unions and liked the arrangement and its workers. And the auto companies have turned around into profitability with UNION WORKERS.

So please give me some real evidence.
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Im SURE I can offer things to change your open mind...right? :lamo

Oh wait...werent you a union rep? Yeah...THAT would be a productive exercise. That being said...play with this.

"According to briefing materials prepared by General Motors, "The total of both cash compensation and benefits provided to GM hourly workers in 2006 amounted to approximately $73.26 per active hour worked."

"The Detroit automakers explain in their SEC filings that their benefit expenses are for current workers, not former employees. This is because they follow generally accepted accounting principles in preparing these estimates. If the figures did include current retiree benefits, the average hourly amount would be much higher than they actually report. UAW employees earn far more than most Americans do. Congress should not tax all Americans to bailout the Detroit automakers in order to preserve high earnings for a few"

No myth: Detroit union workers cost $70 an hour | Daily Estimate
 
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VanceMack said:
Im SURE I can offer things to change your open mind...right? :lamo

Oh wait...werent you a union rep? Yeah...THAT would be a productive exercise. That being said...play with this.

"According to briefing materials prepared by General Motors, "The total of both cash compensation and benefits provided to GM hourly workers in 2006 amounted to approximately $73.26 per active hour worked."

No myth: Detroit union workers cost $70 an hour | Daily Estimate
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You have still failed to present any evidence of the charges you made. Your Detroit story does nothing to substantiate your previous claims as they are not related and one does not support the charges made in the other. Your source also is four years out of date and fails to take into consideration
1- concession contracts the unions have made changing those numbers in favor of the company
2- contracts which establish a two tiered wage system where newer workers hired since then are making significantly less which drives down the average tremendously

Try again please.
 
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randel said:
and and and they gave the workers a BONUS!!:shock: WHICH THEY WILL SPEND!!:shock::shock: WHICH WILL HELP THE ECONOMY!!!:shock: oh the humanity!!:mrgreen:
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Wait...wait...I thought bonuses for business that recieved federal bailouts were BAD...

WIsconsin cannot afford to sustain current business practices. Like in New York, New Jersey, California, etc, they are facing budget shrotfalls. UNLIKE other states (and the federal government, Wisconsin cant just push their deficits onto future generations...they have a balanced budget amendment. Things WILL change there. You may not like it...but...well...too bad.
 
haymarket said:
You have still failed to present any evidence of the charges you made. Your Detroit story does nothing to substantiate your previous claims as they are not related and one does not support the charges made in the other. Your source also is four years out of date and fails to take into consideration
1- concession contracts the unions have made changing those numbers in favor of the company
2- contracts which establish a two tiered wage system where newer workers hired since then are making significantly less which drives down the average tremendously

Try again please.
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Oh Hay...you are nothing if not consistent. Nothing ever fits your definition (especially when it disproves your argument, and you refuse to answer questions...so...guess who WONT be playing your stupid games?
 
VanceMack said:
Wait...wait...I thought bonuses for business that recieved federal bailouts were BAD...

WIsconsin cannot afford to sustain current business practices. Like in New York, New Jersey, California, etc, they are facing budget shrotfalls. UNLIKE other states (and the federal government, Wisconsin cant just push their deficits onto future generations...they have a balanced budget amendment. Things WILL change there. You may not like it...but...well...too bad.
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and like i said, unions have, and i suspect, continue to step up and do their part...you labor under the assumption that unions have caused this entire budget mess, and that is wrong, and i suspect that you know that that assumption is wrong, but you don't care, as it is a chance to bash unions.
 
haymarket said:
You have still failed to present any evidence of the charges you made. Your Detroit story does nothing to substantiate your previous claims as they are not related and one does not support the charges made in the other. Your source also is four years out of date and fails to take into consideration
1- concession contracts the unions have made changing those numbers in favor of the company
2- contracts which establish a two tiered wage system where newer workers hired since then are making significantly less which drives down the average tremendously

Try again please.
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you know he is going to continue to just sling crap at the wall and see if something sticks...
 
randel said:
business constantly lobbies to lower worker protections, workplace safety requirements , work to adjust conditions on which overtime has to be paid....without the unions 'in the way', i'm sure this would all be much easier to accomplish...
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Do we need public service unions? They already have protection.
 
Barbbtx said:
They are getting written excuses from real doctors at the protest. They are being good role models for the students they took to the protest aren't they?:roll:
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The govenor should identify as many liars as possible and have them immediately fired. If they find a doctor who tries to defraud the state by lying, then they should be stripped of their liscense to practice in Wisc.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Oh wow. My bad on reading comprehension. I thought that the NG would work with corrections to make sure the workers didn't strike.
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Don't feel bad. At first glance I also went Yikes WTF! LOL
 
randel said:
and like i said, unions have, and i suspect, continue to step up and do their part...you labor under the assumption that unions have caused this entire budget mess, and that is wrong, and i suspect that you know that that assumption is wrong, but you don't care, as it is a chance to bash unions.
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Horse****. I have said NUMEROUS times, labor is NEVER the sole fault. I have also said I dont fault teachers for trying to get as much compensation as they can nor being upset that they may lose compensation. I stated several times there is more than just one side of the story. Im also not going to blame a governor that has been in office for less thahn 2 months with creating the problem. He isnt sitting back whining about the mess he was handed by his predecessor and blaming everything on everyone else. He is addressing a problem. And instead of working WITH him to address the problem the democrat reps of Wisconsin went off into hiding. THATS going to turn out well...isnt it?

Now who is it that only see's one side?
 
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randel said:
once you start stripping one group of rights, who is next?
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Never fear. They are dusting off that list they have had ready since the 1950's.
 
randel said:
once you start stripping one group of rights, who is next?
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Those teachers...the ones making 100+k in compensation...well over the state average...man...it must SUCK being treated like Egyptians making an average of 2$ a day. It also must suck that for their 'day of anger' and protests, the unions said...sure...expect them to lose some benefits to help with the state budget...all we care about is adding more people to the unions roles...dues to the coffers...
 
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