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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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So you mean it is ok for a democrat to take away bargaining power with a wage freeze but what is going on in Wisconsin is bad because it is the GOP.

What "democrat took away bargaining power with a wage freeze "?
 

Neighboring Illinois spent $10,353 per student in 2008, Minnesota spent $10,048 per student; Iowa spent $9,520 per student. Among Midwest states, Nebraska was second to Wisconsin in per pupil spending in its public schools, spending $10,565 per student.

Of these nearby states, only Minnesota did slightly better teaching reading to its public school students. In 2009, 39 percent of eighth graders in Minnesota public schools earned a rating of “proficient” or better in reading, and the average eighth grade reading score in the state was 270 out of 500.

According to that article only 32% of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders earned a “proficient” rating... but of the Midwestern states only Minnesota did better with 39%. :shock:

39%!!! is considered high in the Midwest.... that's pathetic. American kids are stupid.

I wonder how it compares to private schools...
 

A far right wing blog?

Just a little bit of honest searching will show you that Wisconsin is rated 8th in the nation.

Wisconsin students above average in reading; only eight states' 8th graders were better in math
Wisconsin students above average in reading; only eight states' 8th graders were better in math

State scores above average overall on national science exam; achievement gap wide
State scores above average overall on national science exam; achievement gap wide - JSOnline

Wisconsin #8 in best educated index by state
Best Educated Index statistics - states compared - StateMaster
 
every leftwing scheme is touted as a means to "help the poor" and "working people" when in reality it is to get rich dems elected so they can become richer and keep their voters dependent on them

Both parties have a scheme.

Two sh*t parties successfully wield all the political power. Both have screwed and divided the country, and they have turned the people against each other instead of the people turning against them... And the people remain as hard right and left as they did before we got into this mess. It's a scheme that works for the parties, not the people... it keeps them in power and keeps all the money in their and their lobbyist's pockets
 
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A far right wing blog?

Just a little bit of honest searching will show you that Wisconsin is rated 8th in the nation.

Wisconsin students above average in reading; only eight states' 8th graders were better in math
Wisconsin students above average in reading; only eight states' 8th graders were better in math

State scores above average overall on national science exam; achievement gap wide
State scores above average overall on national science exam; achievement gap wide - JSOnline

Wisconsin #8 in best educated index by state
Best Educated Index statistics - states compared - StateMaster

Of course you missed where Maggie gave the direct link to the study
 
A far right wing blog?

Just a little bit of honest searching will show you that Wisconsin is rated 8th in the nation.

Wisconsin students above average in reading; only eight states' 8th graders were better in math
Wisconsin students above average in reading; only eight states' 8th graders were better in math

State scores above average overall on national science exam; achievement gap wide
State scores above average overall on national science exam; achievement gap wide - JSOnline

Wisconsin #8 in best educated index by state
Best Educated Index statistics - states compared - StateMaster

You use a forum? Your link shows blacks in Wisconsin are below average. The last link is from 2005
 
Of course you missed where Maggie gave the direct link to the study

Too bad you missed my links you just responded to without reading. You would have learned that Wisconsin is rated 8th in the nation in education.
 
Wait... pause the game for a second. Are you seriously using the site walmartfacts.com as a source?

Well yes. Where would I go? To a Target website and ask them about Wal-mart wages and benefits?
You're so silly. :)
 
Too bad you missed my links you just responded to without reading. You would have learned that Wisconsin is rated 8th in the nation in education.

I read them I said it is from 2005
 
I do not hate rich people.

Also, sending $$$ to causes does not solve the problem, because it does not look at the root of the problem. For example, while giving $$$ to a homeless shelter is a great thing and I encourage people to do so, it does not solve the root cause of homelessness. Donating money addresses the symptoms but not the cause.

Then welfare and food stamps is worse.
 
I read them I said it is from 2005

One was from 2005, two were from 2009. They all show Wisconsin is rated higher than the national average. Let's see your "more updated" rankings that show differently?
 
There is a reason the rust belt is losing jobs to the south. Run them all down here, great! You keep running from FDR's words, don't blame you. Don't see you running away from FDR's programs which by your logic are outdated as well.

I can't believe liberals are supporting public sector unions.
The money goes from the taxpayer to the Union, to the politicians to get them elected, it then goes from the politicians back to the Union through collective bargaining. Then the Union owes the politician again and contributes to his Campaign and then the politician owes the Union...

And now the states are in a world of hurt.

Private sector Unions do not take from the state or taxpayers when they get sweetheart deals through collective bargaining.
 
why did the politicians set it up so only a small group pays it

because if they had applied it to everyone they probably would have been shot

why do you people cite Paris Hilton rather than the 75 percent of those who die with a taxable estate who earned it as first generation millionaires?

Of all people, big liberal Joan Rivers gets it. O'Donnell didn't seem too pleased her. She joked about her daughter hoping she would die last year.

Joan Rivers - Barack Obama - Super Bowl | Mediaite

O’Donnell attempted to balance her out, noting that the administration had some successes and asking what Obama would have to do to win her back. “Get rid of death taxes,” she replied without skipping a beat. “I vote for myself– death taxes and Israel.”
 
I can't believe liberals are supporting public sector unions.
The money goes from the taxpayer to the Union, to the politicians to get them elected, it then goes from the politicians back to the Union through collective bargaining. Then the Union owes the politician again and contributes to his Campaign and then the politician owes the Union...

And now the states are in a world of hurt.

Private sector Unions do not take from the state or taxpayers when they get sweetheart deals through collective bargaining.

The only people supporting public unions with any conviction are those in public unions. On the street. And on DP Politics. They mistakenly believe they're on the righteous side of an Erin Brokovich moment. Unfortunately for them, they're on the wrong side in that comparison...
 
Te Republican facade is cracking. GOP Senator Schultz is said to NOT support Walkers bill.
 
Te Republican facade is cracking. GOP Senator Schultz is said to NOT support Walkers bill.

Republicans don't need Schultz to pass the bill, they do need however the Democrats to stop running from their responsibility to do their job.
 
Te Republican facade is cracking. GOP Senator Schultz is said to NOT support Walkers bill.

Not much on it...but if the one source that talks about it is true, he is now advocating a compromise to take bargaining off the table for a two-year period. I hope it doesn't spread.

There is no Republican facade, Haymarket. This is not your Erin Brokovich moment. It's the taxpayers'.
 
Survey of polls show public siding with Wisconsin protesters

"The polling community is finally starting to catch up with what has become the biggest story in politics over the last week. Tens of thousands of protesters have come out in Madison, Wisconsin to express opposition to Governor Walker's anti-union bill. Gov. Walker has claimed the bill is necessary to balance the budget, and refused to take out the provisions which strip the public employees' unions of their collective bargaining rights. Many believed the public would side with Walker, since the favorability ratings of unions has gone down over the last three decades. However, a sampling of the major polls shows that most are actually siding with the protesters in Wisconsin.

The best poll on the issue may come from USA Today/Gallup. That poll, with a sampling of over 1,000 Americans, found that 61% of people oppose a law in their state similar to the one Walker is proposing in Wisconsin. Just 33% were in favor of a similar law. Another poll commissioned by the AFL/CIO, but conducted by an independent firm, found that 62% of Wisconsin voters view the public employees favorably, compared to just 11% who have an unfavorable view. In comparison, just 39% of Wisconsin voters now have a favorable view of Walker, compared to 49% who have an unfavorable view. Finally, the poll found 52% of Wisconsin voters oppose Governor Walker's plan while 42% favor it.

Conservatives like to cite a Rasmussen Reports poll which purports to show 48% of likely votes supporting Walker with just 38% supporting the protesters. However, many have looked upon the Rasmussen poll with a great deal of skepticism. Polling expert Nate Silver wrote a column strongly criticizing the Rasmussen poll. Silver points out that Rasmussen tended to be biased toward Republicans by an average of four points in the 2010 elections. Silver also takes issue with the ordering of the questions in the Rasmussen poll. The poll first asks respondents about a possible strike by firefighters and policemen (which is not even part of the Wisconsin bill or controversy) before going on to ask them about the bill itself. Silver argues, with statistical evidence, that the question wording could lead respondents to support the bill. Silver ends his column with a harsh rebuke saying,

"Because of the problems with question design, my advice would be simply to disregard the Rasmussen Reports poll, and to view their work with extreme skepticism going forward."



Continue reading on Examiner.com: Survey of polls show public siding with Wisconsin protesters - National Political Buzz | Examiner.com Survey of polls show public siding with Wisconsin protesters - National Political Buzz | Examiner.com
 
Survey of polls show public siding with Wisconsin protesters

"The polling community is finally starting to catch up with what has become the biggest story in politics over the last week. Tens of thousands of protesters have come out in Madison, Wisconsin to express opposition to Governor Walker's anti-union bill. Gov. Walker has claimed the bill is necessary to balance the budget, and refused to take out the provisions which strip the public employees' unions of their collective bargaining rights. Many believed the public would side with Walker, since the favorability ratings of unions has gone down over the last three decades. However, a sampling of the major polls shows that most are actually siding with the protesters in Wisconsin.

The best poll on the issue may come from USA Today/Gallup. That poll, with a sampling of over 1,000 Americans, found that 61% of people oppose a law in their state similar to the one Walker is proposing in Wisconsin. Just 33% were in favor of a similar law. Another poll commissioned by the AFL/CIO, but conducted by an independent firm, found that 62% of Wisconsin voters view the public employees favorably, compared to just 11% who have an unfavorable view. In comparison, just 39% of Wisconsin voters now have a favorable view of Walker, compared to 49% who have an unfavorable view. Finally, the poll found 52% of Wisconsin voters oppose Governor Walker's plan while 42% favor it.

Conservatives like to cite a Rasmussen Reports poll which purports to show 48% of likely votes supporting Walker with just 38% supporting the protesters. However, many have looked upon the Rasmussen poll with a great deal of skepticism. Polling expert Nate Silver wrote a column strongly criticizing the Rasmussen poll. Silver points out that Rasmussen tended to be biased toward Republicans by an average of four points in the 2010 elections. Silver also takes issue with the ordering of the questions in the Rasmussen poll. The poll first asks respondents about a possible strike by firefighters and policemen (which is not even part of the Wisconsin bill or controversy) before going on to ask them about the bill itself. Silver argues, with statistical evidence, that the question wording could lead respondents to support the bill. Silver ends his column with a harsh rebuke saying,

"Because of the problems with question design, my advice would be simply to disregard the Rasmussen Reports poll, and to view their work with extreme skepticism going forward."



Continue reading on Examiner.com: Survey of polls show public siding with Wisconsin protesters - National Political Buzz | Examiner.com Survey of polls show public siding with Wisconsin protesters - National Political Buzz | Examiner.com

Why don't you move to Wisconsin so you can pay the cost of those public unions? Explain to me what Haymarket won't, why does the states allow for collective bargaining and the Federal Govt. doesn't for public union employees?
 
One was from 2005, two were from 2009. They all show Wisconsin is rated higher than the national average. Let's see your "more updated" rankings that show differently?

It also show black children in Wisconsin below average.

The first one was a forum.

It shows nothing of substance unless you are a racist and do not care about the Black children in Wisconsin.
 
Te Republican facade is cracking. GOP Senator Schultz is said to NOT support Walkers bill.

The democrats put their cash cow unions above tax payers and voters. This will be seen and will be seen in the next election.

I think Obama knows that so he has been silent for over a week on this issue

Again I ask why is this a big deal and a federal wage freeze on unions is okay.

Seems if a democrat does it good, if GOP does it bad. More made up issues for partisan reasons
 
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Why don't you move to Wisconsin so you can pay the cost of those public unions? Explain to me what Haymarket won't, why does the states allow for collective bargaining and the Federal Govt. doesn't for public union employees?

"That will be news to the thousands of Union workers that I once represented and later negotiated with. I'm sure the Officers and members of the National Association of Letter Carriers and the American Postal Workers Union would be surprised to find out that they don't have collective bargaining. Especially since that explicit right was given to them in the 1971 Postal Reorganization Act. I'm pretty sure that I remember discussing grievances, advocating in arbitration cases and negotiating at the bargaining table as both a Union Business Agent and later a Management Labor Relations Specialist working for the USPS.

Since 2004 and my retirement from the USPS I have been in practice as a Labor Arbitrator. I'm certain it would come as a surprise to the US Army Corps of Engineers, The U.S. Airforce, The U.S. Navy, the Veterans Administration, and the Department of Justice, that they don't have collective bargaining agreements with their civilian employees, since I have heard and decided arbitration cases for all these federal agencies."
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It also show black children in Wisconsin below average.

The first one was a forum.

It shows nothing of substance unless you are a racist and do not care about the Black children in Wisconsin.

African American children score low nationwide in reading. It is due to socio-economic reasons, not a failure on the part of teachers. As has been shown Wisconsin is far above the national average in test scores across the board in education.
 
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