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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Mr. Invisible;1059305191]Actually, while tax cuts don't cause debt, they contribute to it, please look here
    Those are projections that are seldom right, but for argument sake let's say they are right, if you had a shortfall projection what would you do with your personal finances? Spend at the same level or cut spending. Wht is causing the debt right now is 15 million unemployed Americans not paying much in Federal Taxes and Obama doing nothing to promote the private sector to create jobs.


    The idea is very simple. The gov needs X amount of money to cover its expenses and it gets most of its $$$ from taxes. If the gov gives tax breaks, that decreases the amount of revenue that the gov has and thus they are forced either to borrow to cover expenses or cut programs. Most of the time, the fed and the state govs borrow.

    Here are the expenses paid for by the Federal Income taxes, tell me which ones can be cut. You say the govt. "needs" X amount of money, why?

    2010 Budget Line Items and amount in billions. How many of these items are line items at the state level. Bet I can find over 800 billion in spending cuts but you continue to buy the liberal rhetoric.

    Defense 696.1
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    Transportation 92.5
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    Income Security 624
    Social Security 706.7
    Veterans Benefits 108.4
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    General Govt. 18.1
    Net Interest 196.9


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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    And you need union employees to fill pot holes, become policemen or firemen?
    Yes if the majority of the employees vote for a union shop.


    So if taxes go up to fund the unions or the unions bankrupt the state, how does that affect you?
    Its called UNION solidarity.Now tell me why someone gagging in the polluted air of Houston Texas is so concerned about a Union in the badger?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Read any investor about how a very large investment firm can't participate in really small markets, it is economically not feasible.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I never said that increasing their own pies while creating jobs for others a bad thing, I said that the main beneficiaries of the increase in the pie are those who made the pie in the first place, thus the thought that the increase in pie benefits everyone isn't really true.
    Depends on how much the people he hired needed a job or if it was at a higher pay than they had before. They may think they are the biggest beneficiaries. Oh, you think the boss should earn less than his employees. That's just silly thinking
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Depends on how much the people he hired needed a job or if it was at a higher pay than they had before. They may think they are the biggest beneficiaries. Oh, you think the boss should earn less than his employees. That's just silly thinking
    Did he say that he thinks the boss should earn less than his employees? Name one Fortune 500 company where that is even close to that happening. In fact, name one where the highest employee to lowest employee ratio is even remotely close.

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    What is positive is that this isn't a zero sum game and the pie keeps getting bigger.
    Thats what the bakery owners keep telling us. Sad these is that they get to eat the nice cherry pies and all we get is an occasional sniff of the pits.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Those are projections that are seldom right, but for argument sake let's say they are right, if you had a shortfall projection what would you do with your personal finances? Spend at the same level or cut spending. Wht is causing the debt right now is 15 million unemployed Americans not paying much in Federal Taxes and Obama doing nothing to promote the private sector to create jobs.

    Here are the expenses paid for by the Federal Income taxes, tell me which ones can be cut. You say the govt. "needs" X amount of money, why?
    I cannot agree with you on either part. What is causing our debt is a mixture of tax breaks, pointless wars, and maintaining a massive military all over the world, as well as other general problems like defense corps overcharging us for the equipment.

    Also I say the gov needs X amount of $$ because X represents how much money the government needs to cover its expenses.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    whysoserious;1059305202]I am not in the habit of proven people who are full of it wrong. They are full of it so it stands by itself. I don't need to do work. Do your own research, pal.
    Hey, Pal. I have done the research. Just think of what a hero you could be by proving me wrong? You think I would post data here that was wrong?

    Also, I got my information from the CIA, and I'll take their math over yours anyday. Let me see my choices:
    CIA? Wht the hell does the CIA know about economic issues? The Treasury Dept is the checkbook of the United States. I can see why you have no interest in going to the checkbook.

    Conservatives who will disagree with anything against his party vs the CIA website.

    I'll take CIA.gov. Again, the CIA did a study by percent of GDP we rank 44th in the world in education spending. Sorry if that upsets you. Take it up with the CIA

    Well there you have it, folks, the Central Intelligence Agency, the agency that said that Saddam Hussein having WMD was a slamdunk is now an expert on education spending. Do you realize how foolish you look?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Depends on how much the people he hired needed a job or if it was at a higher pay than they had before. They may think they are the biggest beneficiaries. Oh, you think the boss should earn less than his employees. That's just silly thinking
    When did I ever say that the boss should earn less than his/her employees?

    Please, show me.

    Edit: Also the people at the top are the main beneficiaries because they are the one's who get major bonuses and stock options when the corp increases its value
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Very serious flaw here...you see it's the SPENDING that causes dabt.....

    Allowing someone to keep more of THEIR money does not increase debt...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you propose to give those same bankers and hedge fund managers more in tax cuts that are added to our debt? How does that make sense?
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