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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    I have a confession. When I started this business no wealthy elite attempted to stop me, or has since. How can we explain this?

    Seriously, if you understand anything, understand that the really big fish are effectively REMOVED from the small ponds of market opportunity that most of you, and me, can fish in.
    Read any investor about how a very large investment firm can't participate in really small markets, it is economically not feasible.

    This leaves them open to smaller investors (you and me). Not only is there no evidence anyone controls anything the way you guys are suggesting, basic economic reality is that aside from them not controlling it, they are actually PREVENTED from participating in the faster growth markets (up to mid-large cap)

    A fidelity mutual fund can't invest $100M in a company that is only worth $30M. But you can. Trump can't try to compete in very small real estate projects (unless it's high profile for the celebrity he so dearly loves), it's too costly to do 5 tiny projects, far more economical to do one large one instead.

    And once you get your millions, guess what...you can now move up to the next tier of investment. And so forth. Or skip all the way to the top like the facebook kid, whatever.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you propose to give those same bankers and hedge fund managers more in tax cuts that are added to our debt? How does that make sense?
    Tax cuts don't cause debt, spending does? When you get more take home pay is that an expense to the govt?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Since we have a 14.5 TRILLION Dollar Economy that is an incredible amount spent on education.
    Oh it's ok because we are big? That's the thing about percents, size doesn't matter. Again, like I said, math is just math. It doesn't lie, and it doesn't have opinions. It just tells the story, and that story is that we are 44th on spending on education.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    In addition both state and federal govt. spends money on education and has been pointed out just spending money doesn't solve the education problems. Wisconsin teachers make more than the average or even the median salary nationwide and they rank near the bottom in results. Just goes to show how much money is wasted in the public sector tht you ignore.
    I have not seen one link or stat. Well done sir. You are truly on your way to becoming a politician who just makes things up because most people won't bother fact checking.

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    =donc;1059305177]Taxpayers funding public unions? Taxpayers pay for a service, be it fire protection, police protection, or getting their potholes filled after a long hard winter.
    And you need union employees to fill pot holes, become policemen or firemen?


    Its called fighting a Koch bros funded winger virus.
    So if taxes go up to fund the unions or the unions bankrupt the state, how does that affect you?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Tax cuts don't cause debt, spending does? When you get more take home pay is that an expense to the govt?
    Again, revenue - expense = income/loss. It is a relationship.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Tax cuts don't cause debt, spending does?
    Actually, while tax cuts don't cause debt, they contribute to it, please look here

    The idea is very simple. The gov needs X amount of money to cover its expenses and it gets most of its $$$ from taxes. If the gov gives tax breaks, that decreases the amount of revenue that the gov has and thus they are forced either to borrow to cover expenses or cut programs. Most of the time, the fed and the state govs borrow.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    whysoserious;1059305181]Oh it's ok because we are big? That's the thing about percents, size doesn't matter. Again, like I said, math is just math. It doesn't lie, and it doesn't have opinions. It just tells the story, and that story is that we are 44th on spending on education.
    Amazing how you buy the rhetoric you are given that compares apples and oranges. Dept of Education has a budget of 125 billion dollars and every state has a Department of Education and school districts that are funded by property taxes none of which are counted in the Federal GDP. Just goes to show that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. You can get the U.S. Dept of Education numbers from the U.S. Treasury Website.

    Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

    You can get the definition of GDP at BEA.gov
    You can get the state education budgets by going to the state websites

    I have not seen one link or stat. Well done sir. You are truly on your way to becoming a politician who just makes things up because most people won't bother fact checking.
    Then prove me wrong.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    If the middle class isn't improving that is their fault not someone else's. Liberals have created an entitlement mentality and that is why many fail, they lose the incentive to achieve. Stop blaming someone else for your own failures.
    So are you claim that increasing the tax burden on a person does not make it more difficult? Show me your facts that show individual entitlement benefits less cost of individual cost of living have grown in proportion to the wealth increase by the super-rich?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Then prove me wrong.
    This is usually said by people who cannot back up their claims. They make claims and then ask others to prove them wrong or to go look up the info themselves.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Amazing how you buy the rhetoric you are given that compares apples and oranges. Dept of Education has a budget of 125 billion dollars and every state has a Department of Education and school districts that are funded by property taxes none of which are counted in the Federal GDP. Just goes to show that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. You can get the U.S. Dept of Education numbers from the U.S. Treasury Website.

    Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

    You can get the definition of GDP at BEA.gov
    You can get the state education budgets by going to the state websites



    Then prove me wrong.
    I am not in the habit of proven people who are full of it wrong. They are full of it so it stands by itself. I don't need to do work. Do your own research, pal.

    Also, I got my information from the CIA, and I'll take their math over yours anyday. Let me see my choices:

    A guy so uncreative he names himself "Conservative" on a political board (who will disagree with anything against his party) vs the CIA website.

    I'll take CIA.gov. Again, the CIA did a study by percent of GDP we rank 44th in the world in education spending. Sorry if that upsets you. Take it up with the CIA.
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