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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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Conservative said:
I anxiously await your explanation as to why Federal Public Union Employees have not been given the collective bargaining rights that the public union employees have in Wisconsin. Seems that FDR's beliefs have been supported by every President since including the current one, Barack Obama who had a partisan Democrat Congress for two years and never even brought the issue up.
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this should help you understand

Separation of powers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also you may want to look at the three levels of Government and how State and Federal are two different things.

its really pretty basic high school Civics.
 
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Catawba said:
Oh, I thought that is what you said here:

So no proof? I thought you had suggested there was some kind of budget crisis. Their pensions are better because they negotiated to have better pensions due to their low salaries.
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No, actually, they negotiated to have better pensions because those representing taxpayers at the bargaining table gave away the store to line their campaign coffers and keep themselves in office.

In the real world college education pays better than $50,000 a year.
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In the real world, people work 52 weeks a year. BA degree national average: $56,000. Business work days? 260; Wisconsin teachers? 190 work days. $56,000 adjusted means teachers are making the equivalent of $68,400.
 
haymarket said:
Are you not keeping up with the responses on this very site? Its all there for you. Just go back and look. You have been told over and over and over again that FDR expressed his personal opinion in a private letter. And FDR was not God. At least that is what all you right wingers have proclaimed for the last seventy years. He had a riht to his opinion and in this case he was incorrect. So what? The American he talked about has changed drastically. It is no longer the Thirties anymore.

My calendar on the wall says 2011. What does yours say Conservative? 1936?
The president in universe is Barack Omaba. Who is president in your world Conservative? FDR?

You seem to feel you really have some winning ace here to play and trump everyone else. Guess what? We don't care.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAp-T8Gklw0&feature=related
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Speaking of Barack Obama.....he's proposed freezing the pay of all Federal workers...and, guess what? He doesn't even need the union's okay. Now that's funny. Maybe he read FDR's biography.
 
MaggieD said:
Speaking of Barack Obama.....he's proposed freezing the pay of all Federal workers...and, guess what? He doesn't even need the union's okay. Now that's funny. Maybe he read FDR's biography.
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It has to do with states and the federal government being two very different things.
 
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haymarket said:
this should help you understand

Separation of powers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also you may want to look at the three levels of Government and how State and Federal are two different things.

its really pretty basic high school Civics.
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Understand that quite well but that wasn't the question. Because they are allowed to do different things doesn't answer the question raised. Keep diverting.
 
MaggieD said:
Speaking of Barack Obama.....he's proposed freezing the pay of all Federal workers...and, guess what? He doesn't even need the union's okay. Now that's funny. Maybe he read FDR's biography.
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The Messiah can do anything he wants and Libs won't get pissed at him, I wonder why??
 
Such a feeble attempt at derailing a thread kinda makes a person wonder why.:roll:
 
Conservative said:
Understand that quite well but that wasn't the question. Because they are allowed to do different things doesn't answer the question raised. Keep diverting.
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But that is the answer.

The existence of one situation does not negate the absence of the other situation. They are completely unrelated as they are two different levels of government.
 
donc said:
Such a feeble attempt at derailing a thread kinda makes a person wonder why.:roll:
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When I start talkin' about broccoli, you can start calling it a feeble attempt.
 
donc said:
Such a feeble attempt at derailing a thread kinda makes a person wonder why.:roll:
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I suspect we could come up with a reasonable explanation.
 
MaggieD said:
No, actually, they negotiated to have better pensions because those representing taxpayers at the bargaining table gave away the store to line their campaign coffers and keep themselves in office.

In the real world, people work 52 weeks a year. BA degree national average: $56,000. Business work days? 260; Wisconsin teachers? 190 work days. $56,000 adjusted means teachers are making the equivalent of $68,400.
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Lets see the source of your figures? I have already posted 2003 census data that showed the national average for those with comparable education ranged from $55,000 to $74,000 (before benefits) and that was in 2003! And you do not know any teachers if you think they stop working at the end of their contract day.
Household income in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
haymarket said:
But that is the answer.

The existence of one situation does not negate the absence of the other situation. They are completely unrelated as they are two different levels of government.
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There is absolutely nothing that prevents Presidents from proposing collective bargaining rights for Federal Public Union employees and the fact that none have including Obama is quite telling. Seems those that want a big central govt. like you want to cherrypick that that massive federal govt. does or doesn't do. Neither Presidents or Congress has proposed collective bargaining for Federal Public unions. You don't seem to have a problem with that just like you ignore that states HAVE to balance their budgets whereas the Federal Govt. doesn't. States cannot print money.
 
Conservative said:
There is absolutely nothing that prevents Presidents from proposing collective bargaining rights for Federal Public Union employees and the fact that none have including Obama is quite telling. Seems those that want a big central govt. like you want to cherrypick that that massive federal govt. does or doesn't do. Neither Presidents or Congress has proposed collective bargaining for Federal Public unions. You don't seem to have a problem with that just like you ignore that states HAVE to balance their budgets whereas the Federal Govt. doesn't. States cannot print money.
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You obviously have very little respect for our system of Federalism... either that or you just do not understand it.

You are badly spinning your wheels trying vainly to create an issue of linkage where it simply does not exist for the reasons that have already been explained to you.
 
ptif219 said:
You make no sense. How about you compare the governors salary to school admistration salary like the school superintendents

Local school superintendents average $130,000 - JSOnline

Public school districts in southeastern Wisconsin reported paying their top leaders an average salary of nearly $130,000 in the 2009-'10 school year
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OK, but as someone said, it doesn't matter because everyone above the working man isn't included


A master's degree and licensure as a school principal are prerequisites to licensure as a superintendent.

Completion of a master's degree with a grade point average of 3.5 or above (4.0 scale).

Superintendent of Schools Specialist Certificate
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Though most superintendents (and a good many principals) I know have a PhD.


The Wisconsin governor's annual salary is $137,092 plus benefits.

Current Wisconsin governor - Scott Walker's (R) education
...attended college for four years, earning a grade point average in the C's. He did not complete a degree...


Why do you hate Americans trying to better themselves?.....;)
 
haymarket said:
You obviously have very little respect for our system of Federalism... either that or you just do not understand it.

You are badly spinning your wheels trying vainly to create an issue of linkage where it simply does not exist for the reasons that have already been explained to you.
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Unbelievable, you cannot even be honest on this issue, tell me why the Federal Govt. doesn't give the Federal Public unions the same rights as those demanded in the states? There is nothing that prevents the Federal Govt to do that other than logic and common sense which most liberals seem to lack. When you figure out why the Federal Govt. doesn't allow it then just maybe you will understand why many are against the state pubic unions having those rights. Conflict of interest seems to only matter on certain issues in your world.
 
Catawba said:
Lets see the source of your figures? I have already posted 2003 census data that showed the national average for those with comparable education ranged from $55,000 to $74,000 (before benefits) and that was in 2003! And you do not know any teachers if you think they stop working at the end of their contract day.
Household income in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Wikipedia? That's your source? Even Wisconsin school teachers don't allow their name in footnotes.

Here's one: Job Salary Earnings Comparison - College Degrees and High School Diploma -- You'll like this one even less. And here's one you won't like as well, either: http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/p23-210.pdf -- from the U.S. Census Bureau showing $52,200.

And you know nothing about the private sector if you think the average white collar worker works anywhere close to 9 to 5.

Edit: Further, why are you linking to something that talks about household income??
 
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Conservative said:
Unbelievable, you cannot even be honest on this issue, tell me why the Federal Govt. doesn't give the Federal Public unions the same rights as those demanded in the states? There is nothing that prevents the Federal Govt to do that other than logic and common sense which most liberals seem to lack. When you figure out why the Federal Govt. doesn't allow it then just maybe you will understand why many are against the state pubic unions having those rights. Conflict of interest seems to only matter on certain issues in your world.
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there are many many many things the Federal Government does not do. I prefer to deal with what is rather than what is not. But do continue to chase this truck. I just wonder what you will do with it if you ever catch it. Is there some point in here that negates the reality and the law in Wisconsin?
 
haymarket said:
there are many many many things the Federal Government does not do. I prefer to deal with what is rather than what is not. But do continue to chase this truck. I just wonder what you will do with it if you ever catch it. Is there some point in here that negates the reality and the law in Wisconsin?
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The GOP Legislature and the GOP Governor in Wisconsin are going to enact the Federal Govt. union policy regardless of what you say or do. There is a reason that the Federal Govt. doesn't allow full collective bargaining rights and that policy is more important at the state level since states cannot print money and have to balance their budgets.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
So you admit that it's nothing but politics for you and NOT about working people.

You want public workers to suffer the same loss of wages and benefits as private sector employees do.

It's not about the state budget at all (because again, the union has already conceded the budget stuff); it's about turning the last sector of workers who maintain the right to organize into serfs like the rest of us.

Never mind that a bunch of Tea Party heroes drool over their government checks to do nothing (i.e. farm subsidies). Don't do anything about them. Attack workers instead.
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Wrong the democrats show their cash cow the unions have more rights in their eyes than the voters and taxpayers
 
Tashah said:
Did the governor give himself a pay cut? What about the state legislature? Do politicians deserve to earn as much or more than a teacher? What about their healthcare plan? Their pension plan? Their private offices? Their special license plates? Did the frugal governor address any of these taxpayer items?

A crock of hypocrite crap.
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Show me the teachers paycut
 
MaggieD said:
Wikipedia? That's your source? Even Wisconsin school teachers don't allow their name in footnotes.
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I guess you didn't bother to look and see the data referenced was from the US Census did you?

Here's one: Job Salary Earnings Comparison - College Degrees and High School Diploma --
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A blog is what you prefer to the US census data?


You'll like this one even less. And here's one you won't like as well, either: http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/p23-210.pdf -- from the U.S. Census Bureau showing $52,200.
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Glad to see you finally got back to the same data I referenced. You are already above what teachers make today using private sector figures from 2003. Now look to see what the comparable income was for those with Masters and PHd degrees and average those in with those with Bachelors degrees, and compare that figure with the $50,000 teachers make.
 
Catawba said:
Glad to see you finally got back to the same data I referenced. You are already above what teachers make today using private sector figures from 2003. Now look to see what the comparable income was for those with Masters and PHd degrees and average those in with those with Bachelors degrees, and compare that figure with the $50,000 teachers make.
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We aren't talking about Masters and PhD degrees. We're talking about the average of Wisconsin teachers' salaries across the board. You have absolutely no reference to what a Wisconsin teacher with a MA or PhD earns. If you do, post it up. You can't just make stuff up to fit your opinion, Catawba.

Edit: As to Wiki referencing the U.S. Census Bureau, then, my friend, you should have, too. Wiki is inherently unreliable. Could have been written by a Wisconsin teacher. ;-)
 
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Catawba said:
I guess you didn't bother to look and see the data referenced was from the US Census did you?



A blog is what you prefer to the US census data?




Glad to see you finally got back to the same data I referenced. You are already above what teachers make today using private sector figures from 2003. Now look to see what the comparable income was for those with Masters and PHd degrees and average those in with those with Bachelors degrees, and compare that figure with the $50,000 teachers make.
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Lets see Obama puts a wage freeze on federal union employees and not a word but now no freeze but because it is GOP big BS from democrats and unions. This is all partisan politics from the democrats and unions. The democrats show that they will stand up for unions and they care nothing about taxpayers and voters.

This will hurt democrats the next election.
 
MaggieD said:
We aren't talking about Masters and PhD degrees. We're talking about the average of Wisconsin teachers' salaries across the board. You have absolutely no reference to what a Wisconsin teacher with a MA or PhD earns. If you do, post it up. You can't just make stuff up to fit your opinion, Catawba.
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Why would you exclude educators with Master and PHD degrees? I already did show this in my link to the census data. Perhaps you should actually read it this time.
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