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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    How is the pie available for everyone else when a minority controls the majority of the pie?
    Because you're free to jump in there any time you want. People demonstrate this fact every day. They don't "control" it in any practical sense. That's why we have free markets to begin with, to prevent control.

    And try the opposite to finish the debate. How can you demonstrate there is no pie for everyone else because it's in minority hands? You can't, not because you're not smart, but because it's not true.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    What the Union is doing is an attack on taxpayers who don't belong to Unions.
    And corporations have not attacked taxpayers by getting the gov to bail them out?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Because you're free to jump in there any time you want. People demonstrate this fact every day. They don't "control" it in any practical sense. That's why we have free markets to begin with, to prevent control.

    And try the opposite to finish the debate. How can you demonstrate there is no pie for everyone else because it's in minority hands? You can't, not because you're not smart, but because it's not true.
    The market is not free because the minority that is currently in control is going to make sure that they stay in control. For example, let's say there is a Walmart in my town, yet I want to have a store that also sells general goods. I can go and make that store yes, but I will eventually lose because Walmart can afford to have dirt cheap prices, as where I cannot.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Compare the time you spend on watching TV and playing on the PC compared to how much time you actively work towards goals involving wealth accumulation.

    It's not a big mystery. Do Olympic athletes who are told they don't have "the right genetics", who then go on to train for years and compete and win gold medals....

    Do they all get together as an "athlete union" and coerce the judges to give mediocre athletes gold medals?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    LOL...Bammy and Bush did it...the Public wanted to let them fail.

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    And corporations have not attacked taxpayers by getting the gov to bail them out?
    Obama is NOT 50 feet tall, he is ONE inch deep.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    LOL...Bammy and Bush did it...the Public wanted to let them fail.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Compare the time you spend on watching TV and playing on the PC compared to how much time you actively work towards goals involving wealth accumulation.

    It's not a big mystery. Do Olympic athletes who are told they don't have "the right genetics", who then go on to train for years and compete and win gold medals....

    Do they all get together as an "athlete union" and coerce the judges to give mediocre athletes gold medals?

    Neither of you have addressed the points I put up.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    A void of a number.
    One sixth of the country being under the poverty line doesn't concern you huh?

    Middle class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    In February 2009, The Economist announced that over half the world's population now belongs to the middle class, as a result of rapid growth in emerging countries.

    How do people in reality actually improve poverty? With free'er markets and free trade. Not with bankrupt writings of a failed labor movement that crippled billions of people for generations.
    How's that been working out since Reagan and Bush slashed tax rates for the wealthy and cut regulations? Are we better off now than we were during our 50 year period of progressive taxes and adequate regulatory oversight in this country?

    The point at which the poor start entering the middle class by the millions is the time when poor countries get the maximum benefit from cheap labour through international trade, before they price themselves out of world markets for cheap goods

    That's right. Cheap labor and the free trade of it raises more people out of poverty than any other practical force known to mankind. But you oppose it?
    Because your trickle down theory has proven not to work. Why would I possible want to continue practices that have only made our economy worse for the middle class?

    We have been trickled on quite enough already thank you!
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Please tell me this is an act and you are doing this for attention? Where does personal responsibility lie in your world? How can people get a poor education in public schools when most of them are funded by both state and Federal Dollars that rank at the top of the world?
    In what world?

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2206rank.html
    The CIA puts us 46th in percent of GDP spent on education.

    World education rankings: which country does best at reading, maths and science? | News | guardian.co.uk


    Educational Score Performance - Country Rankings
    You can also see how terrible we were in 2009. Our education system is really not that great.

    U.S. Education Slips In Rankings - CBS News
    =By both measures, the United States was first in the world as recently as 20 years ago, said Barry McGaw, director of education for the Paris-based Organization for Cooperation and Development. The 30-nation organization develops the yearly rankings as a way for countries to evaluate their education systems and determine whether to change their policies.
    You're right, we better cut education so that we can give tax breaks to the guys who trade derivatives! No wonder our system is so screwed up?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    People like Bill Gates are good for society but not because he's going to give all his money to charity. Stossel talks about him in this video.
    Bill Gates has stated publicly that he plans on donating everything except for a few million to his kids.
    Bill Gates pledges his $58 billion fortune to charity... rather than his children | Mail Online

    It's a beautiful thing. I think, unfortunately, he is even going to break apart the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation - which is a shame (as it is one of the few truly benevolent organizations in the world).

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    The market is not free because the minority that is currently in control is going to make sure that they stay in control. For example, let's say there is a Walmart in my town, yet I want to have a store that also sells general goods. I can go and make that store yes, but I will eventually lose because Walmart can afford to have dirt cheap prices, as where I cannot.
    You are not writing anything that remotely reflects reality. Why?

    If your idea of starting a business is randomly starting a mom-and-pop shop to go head on with wal mart on general low cost retail items, you're offering the worst advice I've read on DP in recent memory.

    I mean, why can't you just go compete with Toyota right now? They are keeping you down! The corporate man is preventing you? What a crock.

    You start based on your means. You generate income. You save, you make more, you re-invest, you make more, you re-invest. As whysoserious informed you, wealth begets wealth.

    Or, you just to work up the ladder and become an executive and make 7-figures and get company stocks. That's getting a piece of the pie too. Any way you cut it, you are free to. More free than nearly any other society in human history to boot.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    The market is not free because the minority that is currently in control is going to make sure that they stay in control. For example, let's say there is a Walmart in my town, yet I want to have a store that also sells general goods. I can go and make that store yes, but I will eventually lose because Walmart can afford to have dirt cheap prices, as where I cannot.
    Every town doesn't have a Wal-Mart so move if that is what you want to do. Amazing isn't it how many people line up to work at Wal-Mart when a new one opens up and amazing how much the public saves at a Wal-Mart that allows them to do more with their money. Even more importantly people working at Wal-Mart full time don't make minimum wage, get full benefits, and are promoted from within to other positions including corporate. So what is your problem again?

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