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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Exactly, now thanks for supporting Governor Walker. As for Wall Street, better find out where the campaign contributions went in 2008. Republicans are tied to Wall Street because the liberal elites realize that people like whysoserious will buy the rhetoric and to a liberal rhetoric trumps substance. Fact is Obama received some of the biggest contributions from Wall Street including Goldman Sachs.
    Both parties are controlled by corporations.

    Also I do not support Walker, what he is doing is an attack on labor.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    People like Bill Gates are good for society but not because he's going to give all his money to charity. Stossel talks about him in this video.
    Fox news is your credible source??? LOL!
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Nope, they can earn what they need.
    LOLZ. So CEOs need millions of dollars to survive???
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Nope, they can earn what they need.

    How?

    And how much do you feel teachers, firefighters and policemen are overpaid?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Great, and how will you accomplish that with a less and less educated workforce that is unhealthy because of poor living conditions and unaffordable medical care, and having to support more and more people on welfare?
    You equate social justice and forced economic equality incorrectly. We don't have those things now, and have never had them and those things are accomplished all the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Wouldn't it make more sense to pay people a living wage, provide affordable health care and education so they are a positive force for the economy rather than a drag on it?
    We already have a fair living wage and affordable health care and education, though I would argue we overpay by at least 50% on education.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You equate social justice and forced economic equality incorrectly. We don't have those things now, and have never had them and those things are accomplished all the time.

    We already have a fair living wage and affordable health care and education, though I would argue we overpay by at least 50% on education.
    America has a living wage? This is news to me!
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Ok, let me see if you can grab this idea:The more wealth controlled by tiny amounts of people, the less wealth for the rest of the people. It's not a very hard concept to grasp.
    It's easy to grasp, and it's also a fallacy as it applies to participants in the U.S. market. I responded to this already, you didn't really rebut my points.

    Another short answer is that if the pie was fixed as you claim, how could the market grow, or shrink, as it does every second of every day? It's false propoganda.

    needing to finance tens of thousands of dollars to go to college
    Why spend tens of thousands on college if you can't capitalize on it? Sounds like bad choices or bad advice. Community college outside my window is like $80/course. Nothing wrong with at the least, 2 years there.

    coming out with mountains of debt
    Americans do have a problem with debt spending, it sure as hell isn't a problem with the system.

    Then these people need to go out and buy a mortgage
    Nonsense. I started my business while living in an apartment. There is not only no need to buy a house, there is no need to rent a house. That sort of mindset is what cripples americans into losers. We have vietnemese refuges, people raised in dirt villages who come here, get an education without all that debt, live with their parents until they can afford their own residence. What do literally dirt poor vietnemese people know that americans don't? Apparently how to work for a living and make smart financial choices?

    And on top of that you want people to borrow $400,000 to start a business
    Good lord, what are you starting? Most businesses can either be started with sweat equity (work) and maybe a few thousands bucks (like a cell phone subscription cost), or you would line up the first contract before you start, so all you need is cash-flow until you get paid. But either way, I'd rather see someone make a well researched investment in a $200K business, than buy a home on a whim for $200K because "they wanted more space and liked the house". I mean of course, if they are actually interested in gaining wealth.

    You wrote it yourself. Wealth begets weatlh. Why are people grabbing up debt instead of wealth (savings?) It's an example of belief not coinciding with behavior (or reality).

    What about when it happens again?
    Best way to insulate against downturns is to save up during the up cycle. Not go in debt (see above)
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    It's their money...if I need more...I can go earn it.

    It's a very simple concept.

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    LOLZ. So CEOs need millions of dollars to survive???
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    It's their money...if I need more...I can go earn it.

    It's a very simple concept.
    So you can earn serious bread an economy where there is 9-10% unemployment?

    Please, tell me how'd you do that.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    [QUOTE=Ockham;1059305081]
    You equate social justice and forced economic equality incorrectly. We don't have those things now, and have never had them and those things are accomplished all the time.
    We most certainly do, review the 2010 Census, read the newspaper, do a little research if you are so far removed from the middle class that you can't see their plight getting worse as the super-rich just get more tax breaks that are added to our debt.

    We already have a fair living wage and affordable health care and education, though I would argue we overpay by at least 50% on education
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    Poppycock:

    "The ranks of the working poor now exceed 47 million, driven in part by the steep erosion of wage standards throughout our economy. Over the last forty years, the real value of the federal minimum wage has fallen by close to 30%. Even after the 2007-2009 federal increases, the minimum wage remains far too low to sustain working families."

    National Employment Law Project

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    Medical Bills Leading Cause of Bankruptcy, Harvard Study Finds
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