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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    whysoserious;1059304949]How do you figure? It's a rigged game just like at the casino. At some point, as the squeeze gets tighter and tighter, just like at every other point in history, something has to give and this is usually when revolutions begin. Our system is set up so that money trickles uphill, so what else would you expect to happen?
    I really feel sorry for you if that is the attitude you have. You only have yourself to blame if you don't join those evil rich people that you choose to hate. I suggest that you stop blaming someone else for poor choices you made and continue to make. You are the one preventing you from becoming rich, it is attitude, effort, risk taking. How did someone getting rich hurt you or your family? I am product of an upper lower income household, worked my way through college, got a good job, worked for 35 years and retired at 57. If I can do what I did so can anyone else but not with your attitude.

    There is room for some to join, but for ordinary people, as more people hit it big and then keep the money for family legacies, the less money there is to go around in the real world. If everyone was like Bill Gates and planned to donate most of the money back to charity when they died... yes, the system would work much better.

    What people do with their money is their business and the fact remains when the rich do better so do charities. I was an "ordinary" folk that made it. I worked hard and never blamed someone else when I made a mistake. I learned from those mistakes and benefited from those mistakes. You always seem to blame someone else. That is your first mistake. I don't care how much someone else makes but you on the other hand post complaints all the time. I don't care what someone else pays in taxes but instead care more about how those tax dollars are spent. You on the other hand worry more about what others pay and not where the money goes.

    Today's Democratic Party loves people like you. They will keep you dependent for the rest of your life and the best you can do is blame someone else.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Census: Income gap between rich and poor got wider in 2009

    "WASHINGTON (AP) — The income gap between the richest and poorest Americans grew last year to its widest amount on record as young adults and children in particular struggled to stay afloat in the recession.

    The top-earning 20% of Americans — those making more than $100,000 each year — received 49.4% of all income generated in the U.S., compared with the 3.4% earned by those below the poverty line, according to newly released Census figures. That ratio of 14.5-to-1 was an increase from 13.6 in 2008 and nearly double a low of 7.69 in 1968.


    Census: Income gap between rich and poor got wider in 2009 - USATODAY.com
    So what? How does that hurt you or your family?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I really feel sorry for you if that is the attitude you have. You only have yourself to blame if you don't join those evil rich people that you choose to hate. I suggest that you stop blaming someone else for poor choices you made and continue to make. You are the one preventing you from becoming rich, it is attitude, effort, risk taking. How did someone getting rich hurt you or your family? I am product of an upper lower income household, worked my way through college, got a good job, worked for 35 years and retired at 57. If I can do what I did so can anyone else but not with your attitude.




    What people do with their money is their business and the fact remains when the rich do better so do charities. I was an "ordinary" folk that made it. I worked hard and never blamed someone else when I made a mistake. I learned from those mistakes and benefited from those mistakes. You always seem to blame someone else. That is your first mistake. I don't care how much someone else makes but you on the other hand post complaints all the time. I don't care what someone else pays in taxes but instead care more about how those tax dollars are spent. You on the other hand worry more about what others pay and not where the money goes.

    Today's Democratic Party loves people like you. They will keep you dependent for the rest of your life and the best you can do is blame someone else.
    It's sad that you feel that way. Unfortunately, you can't argue with math, that's all this subject we are talking about is. We are talking about unethical trading, compounded interest, annuities, tax codes, special interest, and power. I don't hate the rich and I have no contempt for them. My question for you is:

    Why do you feel like you need to stick up for them so much? How many supporters does Goliath need? Between conservatives and unlimited campaign donations from corporations, you're about to find out how tight the squeeze can go.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So what? How does that hurt you or your family?
    It's not personalized that way, it's just the ideology of social justice. That someone who busts ass and makes 20 million dollars isn't fair to those who bust ass and do not make 20 million dollars. Therefore, it must be equalized in some sense of generic "fairness". I don't believe in such a thing, and that we live up to our destiny the best we can - some are lucky, some are determined and some are losers in life - and that's just the way it is. There is no "fair" and there is no equalization needed.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    It's sad that you feel that way. Unfortunately, you can't argue with math, that's all this subject we are talking about is. We are talking about unethical trading, compounded interest, annuities, tax codes, special interest, and power. I don't hate the rich and I have no contempt for them. My question for you is:

    Why do you feel like you need to stick up for them so much? How many supporters does Goliath need? Between conservatives and unlimited campaign donations from corporations, you're about to find out how tight the squeeze can go.
    Like with far too many you choose to focus on the exception vs. the rule. there are laws against unethical trading, what is wrong with compounding interest, annuities, the tax codes?

    I stick up for anyone earning money legally as that is the economic system that made this country great. Why are you so concerned about what someone else legally earns?

    Do you know who got the lion's share of campaign contributions from Wall Street and the banking business in the last election? I suggest you stop buying what you are told and do better research.

    I am one of the few here that doesn't care how much you make or pay in taxes. Those you support do care. You don't see a problem with that?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Census: Income gap between rich and poor got wider in 2009

    "WASHINGTON (AP) — The income gap between the richest and poorest Americans grew last year to its widest amount on record as young adults and children in particular struggled to stay afloat in the recession.

    The top-earning 20% of Americans — those making more than $100,000 each year — received 49.4% of all income generated in the U.S., compared with the 3.4% earned by those below the poverty line, according to newly released Census figures. That ratio of 14.5-to-1 was an increase from 13.6 in 2008 and nearly double a low of 7.69 in 1968.


    Census: Income gap between rich and poor got wider in 2009 - USATODAY.com
    One of the reasons that the wingers are going after the Unions that represent the teachers, firefighters, or police. Not much there that they can offshore…but they sure will try to Wackenhut the jobs.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's not personalized that way, it's just the ideology of social justice. That someone who busts ass and makes 20 million dollars isn't fair to those who bust ass and do not make 20 million dollars. Therefore, it must be equalized in some sense of generic "fairness". I don't believe in such a thing, and that we live up to our destiny the best we can - some are lucky, some are determined and some are losers in life - and that's just the way it is. There is no "fair" and there is no equalization needed.
    Unfortunately the left will always kill the "golden goose" as those evil rich people pay a large percentage of their income to charities but that flies in the face of the dependent class that today's Democrats want to create. If someone gives money to charities the govt. doesn't control it and for liberals that is bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    One of the reasons that the wingers are going after the Unions that represent the teachers, firefighters, or police. Not much there that they can offshore…but they sure will try to Wackenhut the jobs.
    Right, taxpayers funding public unions that use their dues to fund campaign ads that keep politicians in power that continue to bilk the taxpayer for higher union benefits. It is easy for someone like you who doesn't live in Wisconsin to have no problem with the taxes the people of Wisconsin pay to fund these public unions. You seem to do that a lot, get involved in causes that costs someone else, not you, personal income.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    There is room for some to join, but for ordinary people, as more people hit it big and then keep the money for family legacies, the less money there is to go around in the real world. If everyone was like Bill Gates and planned to donate most of the money back to charity when they died... yes, the system would work much better.
    That's fiction, sorry.

    China and India are some of the largst emerging markets in human history, and you're free to go for a piece of that pie, or make more pie, RIGHT NOW. And you COMPLAIN that it's all drying up!? It's like complaining no one as cell phones, as cell phones are ringing and being answered all around you as you claim it.

    Think about it carefully. Who is preventing you from going out and starting a business right now? You are. But worse, you're spreading false propoganda that is essentially suggesting that people can't go out and compete in the free market, and that the market is fixed, and that it's shrinking. Its' awful. Not starting a business...that's not awful, that's a life choice. Preaching to others the futility of it? Irresponsible.

    Foreign companies nearly kill to compete in our booming U.S. market. You somehow see it as an albatros. Please help me understand, how can you hold that belief in the face of a starkly opposite reality?

    If you don't go get a piece of the China pie (directly or indrectly), guess what, a billion other souls in the world who don't have it 10% as good as you do, are up for it.

    But it's in part our fault anyway..we are supposed to be preparing them for the market. Why do you think most americans emerging from our education system (public and private) are so unprepared for participation in a free market (as evidenced on this forum and in general anywhere you look)?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's not personalized that way, it's just the ideology of social justice. That someone who busts ass and makes 20 million dollars isn't fair to those who bust ass and do not make 20 million dollars. Therefore, it must be equalized in some sense of generic "fairness". I don't believe in such a thing, and that we live up to our destiny the best we can - some are lucky, some are determined and some are losers in life - and that's just the way it is. There is no "fair" and there is no equalization needed.
    I don't think anyone is discussing 20 million dollars. That's a drop in the pool.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Like with far too many you choose to focus on the exception vs. the rule. there are laws against unethical trading, what is wrong with compounding interest, annuities, the tax codes?

    I stick up for anyone earning money legally as that is the economic system that made this country great. Why are you so concerned about what someone else legally earns?

    Do you know who got the lion's share of campaign contributions from Wall Street and the banking business in the last election? I suggest you stop buying what you are told and do better research.

    I am one of the few here that doesn't care how much you make or pay in taxes. Those you support do care. You don't see a problem with that?
    No it isn't. Unethical trading goes on every day. They have done nothing to ban the trading of packaged derivatives. If you had any idea of the house advantage these people have over every other trader you'd find it to be extremely unethical.

    There is nothing wrong with interest earned, annuities, perpituities, stock trading, derivatives, short selling, etc. It's all of them combined that make it impossible for money to "trickle down", and in fact cause the opposite to happen.

    As far as who got the "lions share of...", what does it matter? We can go tit for tat on democrats vs republicans, who is more unethical this, who is more right on that. It's not even on topic. Who got more money? They person they thought was going to win and therefore the person they were most interested in pushing their ideas on.

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