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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Walker's got a fight ahead of him, that's for sure.

    Here's Obama talking to the SEIU before he won the election. They invested 60 million dollars in him.
    In the video he says "I know how much more we could accomplish as partners in an Obama administration"
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Because I happen to think a strong middle class is necessary for a healthy economy, and I don't much care for a corporate run society.
    #1. The strength of the middle class is not directly linked to wealth inequality. Please show direct correlation else concede that it's not relevant.
    #2. And what fostered the creation of the middle class as we know it today? Capitalism (freedom in the marketplace). How do you reconcile your beliefs with this reality?
    #3. Corporate run society is nonsensical rhetoric. You want to get into a propoganda back and forth or try and reason this out?

    What happens when labor-focused formerly communist nations add some capitalism to the mix?
    February 2009, The Economist announced that over half the world's population now belongs to the middle class, as a result of rapid growth in emerging countries
    Ouch right? But look at the opposite as well to seal the deal. What happens when labor-focused communist nations don't accept free markets? North Korea? How is their middle class doing.

    If public unions increase the cost of labor for government, who pays for this? Taxpayers. According to many liberals, the wealthy business owners will make their employees bear the burden of higher costs. So when a union forces taxpayers to pay them more for their services, by this logic, it's primarily the middle class and working class that pays for their sweetheart deals. If you are for a strong middle class, you should oppose not only excess government, but public unions (unions in general).

    Sitting in the same job for 30 years that someone with just 1-2 years of experience can do just as well or better, is tragic for everyone involved. It's protectionism for workers.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    #1. The strength of the middle class is not directly linked to wealth inequality. Please show direct correlation else concede that it's not relevant.
    #2. And what fostered the creation of the middle class as we know it today? Capitalism (freedom in the marketplace). How do you reconcile your beliefs with this reality?
    #3. Corporate run society is nonsensical rhetoric. You want to get into a propoganda back and forth or try and reason this out?

    What happens when labor-focused formerly communist nations add some capitalism to the mix?

    Ouch right? But look at the opposite as well to seal the deal. What happens when labor-focused communist nations don't accept free markets? North Korea? How is their middle class doing.

    If public unions increase the cost of labor for government, who pays for this? Taxpayers. According to many liberals, the wealthy business owners will make their employees bear the burden of higher costs. So when a union forces taxpayers to pay them more for their services, by this logic, it's primarily the middle class and working class that pays for their sweetheart deals. If you are for a strong middle class, you should oppose not only excess government, but public unions (unions in general).

    Sitting in the same job for 30 years that someone with just 1-2 years of experience can do just as well or better, is tragic for everyone involved. It's protectionism for workers.
    How is having a small percentage of rich people controlling most of the wealth while most are poor and uneducated good for society? Wealth breeds more wealth, some sort of market barrier is put into place, these people will only continue to get richer.

    What is positive about that?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    How is having a small percentage of rich people controlling most of the wealth while most are poor and uneducated good for society? Wealth breeds more wealth, some sort of market barrier is put into place, these people will only continue to get richer.

    What is positive about that?
    What is positive is that this isn't a zero sum game and the pie keeps getting bigger. There is plenty of room for more rich people withouth hurting anyone else. Why aren't you one of those rich people that you seem to hate?

    When I read posts like your I get very concerned about the education system in this country. People who legally become rich have done nothing wrong and should be commended instead of being demonized. We have the greatest economy on the face of the earth in spite of people like you.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Census: Income gap between rich and poor got wider in 2009

    "WASHINGTON (AP) The income gap between the richest and poorest Americans grew last year to its widest amount on record as young adults and children in particular struggled to stay afloat in the recession.

    The top-earning 20% of Americans those making more than $100,000 each year received 49.4% of all income generated in the U.S., compared with the 3.4% earned by those below the poverty line, according to newly released Census figures. That ratio of 14.5-to-1 was an increase from 13.6 in 2008 and nearly double a low of 7.69 in 1968.


    Census: Income gap between rich and poor got wider in 2009 - USATODAY.com
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What is positive is that this isn't a zero sum game and the pie keeps getting bigger. There is plenty of room for more rich people withouth hurting anyone else. Why aren't you one of those rich people that you seem to hate?

    When I read posts like your I get very concerned about the education system in this country. People who legally become rich have done nothing wrong and should be commended instead of being demonized. We have the greatest economy on the face of the earth in spite of people like you.
    How do you figure? It's a rigged game just like at the casino. At some point, as the squeeze gets tighter and tighter, just like at every other point in history, something has to give and this is usually when revolutions begin. Our system is set up so that money trickles uphill, so what else would you expect to happen?

    There is room for some to join, but for ordinary people, as more people hit it big and then keep the money for family legacies, the less money there is to go around in the real world. If everyone was like Bill Gates and planned to donate most of the money back to charity when they died... yes, the system would work much better.

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    while most are poor and uneducated good for society?
    What nation has mostly poor and uneducated that you're referring to? It's not the U.S., so who are you debating with exactly?

    And what does that have to do with wealth inequality? You could have 1% ultra-rich, and 99% upper-middle class. That's wealth inequality, how is it intrinsically bad? It's not. You guys have no actual basis for your beliefs.

    Understand that wealth and power are what people seek. Nations are destroyed, people enslaved, wars fought, throughout history. We broke this up. Weatlh is free for anyone to obtain in a relatively free market system, government/security power is broken up in a representative democracy. You keep wanting to merge the two, it's tragic. Government MUST be independant, and MUST preserve our right to freely compete in the market place (including regulations and other government functions). If not, you're right back to tyranny.

    Wealth breeds more wealth, some sort of market barrier is put into place, these people will only continue to get richer.
    So? Why is someone getting rich, bad?

    If wealth is good, and everyone is free to get it, and wealth breeds wealth, why is a system that allows you to pursue it anything but ****ing awesome?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    What nation has mostly poor and uneducated that you're referring to? It's not the U.S., so who are you debating with exactly?

    And what does that have to do with wealth inequality? You could have 1% ultra-rich, and 99% upper-middle class. That's wealth inequality, how is it intrinsically bad? It's not. You guys have no actual basis for your beliefs.

    Understand that wealth and power are what people seek. Nations are destroyed, people enslaved, wars fought, throughout history. We broke this up. Weatlh is free for anyone to obtain in a relatively free market system, government/security power is broken up in a representative democracy. You keep wanting to merge the two, it's tragic. Government MUST be independant, and MUST preserve our right to freely compete in the market place (including regulations and other government functions). If not, you're right back to tyranny.


    So? Why is someone getting rich, bad?

    If wealth is good, and everyone is free to get it, and wealth breeds wealth, why is a system that allows you to pursue it anything but ****ing awesome?
    Why do people always put words into my mouth? I never hated on anyone being rich. All I am doing is pointing out the obvious: there is a reason for the term "old money". And when you take "old money" + "new money" = less money for everyone else.

    It's pretty rare that this equation happens "old money" - "spends money" = "new poor".

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