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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Conservative - this at least the third time I have to point out to you that this is the year 2011 and FDR has been dead for over seventy years now. I guess its progress that; you are fixated on FDR - but you have to accept that he is dead and the nation has moved on.
    And this is the third time I have told you that FDR got it right in the 30's and his statement stands today. Public unions should never be given collective bargaining rights to bargain with the people they fund with their political contributions as they pass on their costs to the taxpayers. How do you feel about contributing to a SS fund when hundreds of thousands of public employees don't have to and yet get pensions from the taxpayers? Make sense to you that the take home pay of public workers making the same amount as the private sector gets more take home pay because they don't contribute to SS?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    And this is the third time I have told you that FDR got it right in the 30's and his statement stands today. Public unions should never be given collective bargaining rights to bargain with the people they fund with their political contributions as they pass on their costs to the taxpayers. How do you feel about contributing to a SS fund when hundreds of thousands of public employees don't have to and yet get pensions from the taxpayers? Make sense to you that the take home pay of public workers making the same amount as the private sector gets more take home pay because they don't contribute to SS?
    Makes absolutely perfect sense to Haymarket, Conservative. He's a retired teacher with 33 years in the system; now he works for his state legislature. Can you spell "double dipping potential?" You will never convince Haymarket, Conservative. He has waaay too much to lose.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Makes absolutely perfect sense to Haymarket, Conservative. He's a retired teacher with 33 years in the system; now he works for his state legislature. Can you spell "double dipping potential?" You will never convince Haymarket, Conservative. He has waaay too much to lose.
    Good point, I had forgotten that. How about that double dipping Haymarket? I just love finding out about those evil greedy liberals.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Yes we have, and you just witnessed in Nov the direction we are going in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Conservative - this at least the third time I have to point out to you that this is the year 2011 and FDR has been dead for over seventy years now. I guess its progress that; you are fixated on FDR - but you have to accept that he is dead and the nation has moved on.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Makes absolutely perfect sense to Haymarket, Conservative. He's a retired teacher with 33 years in the system; now he works for his state legislature. Can you spell "double dipping potential?" You will never convince Haymarket, Conservative. He has waaay too much to lose.
    Kind of like the republican govenor of Iowa, who's getting retirement pay form the legislature and recieving a salery as governor. Don't worry, he's asking others to sacrific. Well, at least workers. No tax increases. In fact tax breaks. you know. Sharing the load.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You have to realize any time management or government go into battle with the unions it's about power. Of course part of it's about power, but the rest of it is about a very real budget problem. There is no money. Walker has the basic math to give him cover for any accusations about a power grab. This isn't Walkers fault, the unions got greedy and have been for a long time. It's just their time to pay the piper.
    State's budgets are in trouble because of the 8 trillion dollar housing bubble and shady banking practices, not because teachers, firefighters and policeman are being overpaid. Get real! Why should they be penalized?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Kind of like the republican govenor of Iowa, who's getting retirement pay form the legislature and recieving a salery as governor. Don't worry, he's asking others to sacrific. Well, at least workers. No tax increases. In fact tax breaks. you know. Sharing the load.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Why is no one mentioning that the reason that he needs to make these cuts is because he gave more tax breaks to businesses? So we are cutting our middle-class' wages so we can give business a break?

    Wisconsinís Cheesy Tax Cuts - Lee Sheppard - Taxation & Finance - Forbes (written by Lee Sheppard - a tax lawyer)

    Is it possible to cut taxes while addressing a state budget deficitóleaving aside misguided folk belief in supply-side economics?

    Wisconsinís new Republican governor, Scott Walker, is cutting small business taxes while trying to reduce essential spending and threatening to prevent public employees from striking. The state has a budgetary shortfall of $3 billion over two years (Wisconsin budgets biennially). But Walker campaigned on creating a business-friendly climate, and called a special legislative session to enact his plans.
    Making sense of Wisconsin's union showdown

    One old trick is to suggest a thought experiment that asks readers to consider the mirror image of what is going on. In this case, you'd be asked what the reaction would be from Republicans and business interests if a newly elected Democratic governor and legislature proposed to deal with a budget deficit by first raising unemployment benefits and then pushing through a big corporate tax increase for all but the Democratic-leaning tech sector. For good measure, the package would also contain a ban on corporations making political donations without getting the permission of each shareholder, lest they use their power to repeal the tax increase and push the budget out of balance.

    This is analogous, of course, to what Gov. Scott Walker has proposed for dealing with Wisconsin's budget gap: the tax breaks for businesses, the benefit cuts for all state employees except Republican-leaning police and firefighters, the automatic decertification of all public-sector unions and the stripping of their right to bargain anything but wages. Looking at Walker's reflection in the political fun-house mirror makes it abundantly clear that the governor has a more ambitious agenda than merely closing a modest budget gap.
    Why not just lay it on the table: republicans and Walker think business is more important than the middle and lower class. Supply-side economics rears its ugly head again.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Why is no one mentioning that the reason that he needs to make these cuts is because he gave more tax breaks to businesses? So we are cutting our middle-class' wages so we can give business a break?

    Wisconsin’s Cheesy Tax Cuts - Lee Sheppard - Taxation & Finance - Forbes (written by Lee Sheppard - a tax lawyer)



    Making sense of Wisconsin's union showdown



    Why not just lay it on the table: republicans and Walker think business is more important than the middle and lower class. Supply-side economics rears its ugly head again.
    Wouldn't we need to give some tax-cuts to businesses so they can start hiring again? No one is certain about their future, this includes businesses that supply jobs and employment for the lower and middle classes
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Why is no one mentioning that the reason that he needs to make these cuts is because he gave more tax breaks to businesses? So we are cutting our middle-class' wages so we can give business a break?

    Wisconsinís Cheesy Tax Cuts - Lee Sheppard - Taxation & Finance - Forbes (written by Lee Sheppard - a tax lawyer)



    Making sense of Wisconsin's union showdown



    Why not just lay it on the table: republicans and Walker think business is more important than the middle and lower class. Supply-side economics rears its ugly head again.
    Psssst.... the tax breaks don't even go into effect until next year's budget, therefore have nothing to do with the $147 million shortfall this year.

    The problem is poor decisions by Dems over the past five + years, which is why most of them got voted out of office.
    Last edited by Gill; 02-23-11 at 08:54 AM.

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