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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I've stated the reason that's not acceptable --- collective bargaining will nullify the measures taken by union members to pay more into their healthcare and pension fund, and will put at risk the 120 million already approved in a bipartisan effort with the WI Senate. Therefore, collective bargaining has to go and bargaining has to be done at the local level.
    I must have missed where you posted this and your explanation of how “collective bargaining will nullify the measures taken by union members to pay more into their healthcare and pension fund, and will put at risk the 120 million already approved in a bipartisan effort with the WI Senate ”would happen with a signed contract. How about giving me a synopsis?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Your completely ignoring the issue I bought up. Since you are saying that unions "give a damn about their own state or how their benefits impact it," I am bringing up examples of how Wall Street has screwed over the entire nation, the auto industry as well and also the states in which they resided in as well as companies that outsource and offshore don't "give a damn about their own state or how their benefits impact it." Please address the issue I bought up. So far the US government "had lent, spent or guaranteed as much as $12.8 trillion to rescue the economy" to Wall Street. Source and the defense industry, along with the Pentagon's own crappy cost system, has cost the US taxpayers billions, Source.
    No, it is you that misses the point, this is about public unions and their role and responsibilities. It is about who pays them and the results they generate. I did not support the bank bailout but Obama did. Obama then supports the public unions and thus higher taxes on the citizens to pay for them and to get terrible results. Have you checked out the Wisconsin teachers' performance?

    Not sure where you get the 12.8 trillion to rescue the economy but if that is the case Obama wasted a lot of money. At least with TARP we got paid back. There was no reason to bail out Wall Street, to take over GM/Chrysler, to bail out Freddie and Fannie, and to overpaying at the Pentagon. None of that justifies public union action in Wisconsin and I stand by my statement. These are public employees paid by the taxpayers. they have a vested interest in the success or failure of the state. Without a state they don't have a job and from what I can see they don't deserve a job now. There are more than 15 million unemployed people across the nation some of whom would be happy to take a job in Wisconsin. Maybe that is wht it is going to take.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Also military spending is screwing us over, source, and guess who are the main (economic) beneficiaries of defense spending?

    Oh yeah! US defense corporations.
    So do you have the same outrage over the waste, fraud, and abuse of our taxdollars by other departments other than the Defense? Are you really saying that we don't need a 3.7 trillion dollar budget because of that waste, fraud, and abuse? Glad to hear someone condemning the abuse of our taxdollars thus I am sure you have no problem with the income earners keeping more of what they earn thus further tax cuts. Congratulations on finally getting it.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    National Federation of Federal Employees was established in 1917 and to the best of my knowledge never had a shutdown or labor unrest thus adhering to FDR's comments which you continue to ignore.
    Whats this little dance about?What comments of FDR that you have put forth have I ignored?The only things of yours that i ignore is the gratious add homms that you like to throw in a post.No big loss there though.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So do you have the same outrage over the waste, fraud, and abuse of our taxdollars by other departments other than the Defense? Are you really saying that we don't need a 3.7 trillion dollar budget because of that waste, fraud, and abuse? Glad to hear someone condemning the abuse of our taxdollars thus I am sure you have no problem with the income earners keeping more of what they earn thus further tax cuts. Congratulations on finally getting it.
    Let's end the waste, fraud and abuse and then see where we are. If we were to get rid of those three things, then there would be more money in everyone's pocket.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Whats this little dance about?What comments of FDR that you have put forth have I ignored?The only things of yours that i ignore is the gratious add homms that you like to throw in a post.No big loss there though.
    I posted it twice, go back and review my posts on this thread. If nothing else you will learn a thing or two.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Let's end the waste, fraud and abuse and then see where we are. If we were to get rid of those three things, then there would be more money in everyone's pocket.
    That is the entire point, eliminate the waste, fraud, and abuse instead of asking for bigger budgets each year. That never happens with either party. That being the case, I prefer the taxpayer keeing more of their money.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I posted it twice, go back and review my posts on this thread. If nothing else you will learn a thing or two.
    Is that memory thing kicken in again? At least give me approximate page number, are some other clue…if you can remember what it was.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Is that memory thing kicken in again? At least give me approximate page number, are some other clue…if you can remember what it was.
    I put FDR's comments in bold, shouldn't be hard to find. I knew you had reading problem now the entire thread knows it. FDR's quote came from the letter you posted. I see you either didn't read the letter or cherrypicked the information you wanted out of it. Read the letter again and see what he says about collective bargaining by public unions.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I put FDR's comments in bold, shouldn't be hard to find. I knew you had reading problem now the entire thread knows it.
    Conservative - this at least the third time I have to point out to you that this is the year 2011 and FDR has been dead for over seventy years now. I guess its progress that; you are fixated on FDR - but you have to accept that he is dead and the nation has moved on.
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