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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its not about the budget, its about power -
    You have to realize any time management or government go into battle with the unions it's about power. Of course part of it's about power, but the rest of it is about a very real budget problem. There is no money. Walker has the basic math to give him cover for any accusations about a power grab. This isn't Walkers fault, the unions got greedy and have been for a long time. It's just their time to pay the piper.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Yes



    At least the NFFE, as per the letter... <I congratulate the National Federation of Federal Employees the twentieth anniversary of its founding and trust that the convention will, in every way, be successful.>
    National Federation of Federal Employees was established in 1917 and to the best of my knowledge never had a shutdown or labor unrest thus adhering to FDR's comments which you continue to ignore.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You have to realize any time management or government go into battle with the unions it's about power. Of course part of it's about power, but the rest of it is about a very real budget problem. There is no money. Walker has the basic math to give him cover for any accusations about a power grab. This isn't Walkers fault, the unions got greedy and have been for a long time. It's just their time to pay the piper.
    destroying the power of unions is a proper GOP tactic



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You have to realize any time management or government go into battle with the unions it's about power. Of course part of it's about power, but the rest of it is about a very real budget problem. There is no money. Walker has the basic math to give him cover for any accusations about a power grab. This isn't Walkers fault, the unions got greedy and have been for a long time. It's just their time to pay the piper.

    As has been pointed out, the unions are willing to take one for the state.All they ask in return is the right of collective bargaining which they have had through many financial crisis in the past.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    As has been pointed out, the unions are willing to take one for the state.All they ask in return is the right of collective bargaining which they have had through many financial crisis in the past.
    I've stated the reason that's not acceptable --- collective bargaining will nullify the measures taken by union members to pay more into their healthcare and pension fund, and will put at risk the 120 million already approved in a bipartisan effort with the WI Senate. Therefore, collective bargaining has to go and bargaining has to be done at the local level.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    As usual, Jon Stewart and the Daily Show nailed the truth behind the issue:

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...e-of-the-curds
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...force-makeover

    *Edit:

    It sucks that we can't embed Daily Show videos!
    Last edited by whysoserious; 02-22-11 at 06:55 PM.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Really? So almost all union members are democrats and voluntarily donate to candidates? Then what the hec are liberals worried about. I'm sure those Dems will still voluntarily contribute to the candidates of their choice, unions or not.
    The teachers union and SEIU seem to operate differently. How would you feel about your dues if you were this lady?


    Michelle Malkin » Union members speak up on coerced political spending
    seriously, what part of 'voluntary' don't you people understand? all political activity is paid for with, i'll say this slowwwwwwwly, voluntary contributions.....

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    It really doesn't take a lot of guts to be a liberal or a union member for all you do is take someone else's money and do the minimum that is acceptable. Obviously union employees don't give a damn about their own state or how their benefits impact it. I find it quite telling that someone from NC who if working in the private sector gets less in benefits and pay than union employees steal from the taxpayers. FDR spoke against public unions and is being proven right today. Hopefully the Governor of Wisconsin will fire them all. I am sure there are good candidates in the 15 million plus unemployed across the nation.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    seriously, what part of 'voluntary' don't you people understand? all political activity is paid for with, i'll say this slowwwwwwwly, voluntary contributions.....
    randel, how do you feel paying for the pensions of state employees in Ohio while having to contribute to the SS fund thus getting less take home pay than your fellow union employees? Where do you think the money sent to the national unions goes and obviously you ignored the post showing that the OEA funded attack ads against a candidate. Where did that money come from?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    As has been pointed out, the unions are willing to take one for the state.All they ask in return is the right of collective bargaining which they have had through many financial crisis in the past.
    Seems like a good time to get rid of collective bargaining is when it's hurting the states. This seems like the time for Wisconsin. When Unions can shut down schools for days, they are too powerful.
    I suppose Walker could just give in and lay people off, but the same problems will keep coming up as long as they have all that power.


    Review & Outlook: Athens in Mad Town - WSJ.com
    The larger reality is that collective bargaining for government workers is not a God-given or constitutional right. It is the result of the growing union dominance inside the Democratic Party during the middle of the last century. John Kennedy only granted it to federal workers in 1962 and Jerry Brown to California workers in 1978. Other states, including Indiana and Missouri, have taken away collective bargaining rights for public employees in recent years, and some 24 states have either limited it or banned it outright.

    And for good reason. Public unions have a monopoly position that gives them undue bargaining power. Their campaign cash—collected via mandatory dues—also helps to elect the politicians who are then supposed to represent taxpayers in negotiations with those same unions. The unions sit, in effect, on both sides of the bargaining table. This is why such famous political friends of the working man as Franklin Roosevelt and Fiorello La Guardia opposed collective bargaining for government workers, even as they championed private unions.
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