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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    in my union, the UAW, member dues most certainly DO NOT GO TO SUPPORT POLITICAL CANDIDATES..the money used for that comes from separate VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTIONS . NO DUES ARE USED...
    Really? So almost all union members are democrats and voluntarily donate to candidates? Then what the hec are liberals worried about. I'm sure those Dems will still voluntarily contribute to the candidates of their choice, unions or not.
    The teachers union and SEIU seem to operate differently. How would you feel about your dues if you were this lady?


    Michelle Malkin » Union members speak up on coerced political spending

    I’m Jade Thompson and my husband, Andy Thompson, is running for the Ohio House of Representatives. I am a teacher at Marietta High School. Imagine my chagrin when my friends and colleagues began showing me the awful attack ads against my husband which they had received in the mail. Now imagine my dismay when I saw that those defamatory mailers were paid for by the Ohio Education Association – my teachers’ union. In effect, they are using my union dues to attack my husband! This is a new low, even for the OEA.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    If that is the case, so be it, there is no place in this country for public unions funded by the taxpayers. On this FDR got it right but of course liberals ignore that.
    I’m glad that we have something we can both agree on.

    Yes, FDR got it right on many occasions here a few.

    From his State of the Union Address on January 11, 1944.

    In his address Roosevelt suggested that the nation had come to recognize, and should now implement, a second "bill of rights".

    Which were.

    Employment, with a living wage

    Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies

    Housing

    Medical care,

    Education, and

    Social security

    The we have him saying this in a letter on August 16, 1937.

    < The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government. >

    Note the part that I have bolded.

    I,m sure that the e-mail that is being passed around and being parrated on this thread is referring to this part of the letter.

    < This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable. It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that "under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States >

    Enjoy.

    Franklin D. Roosevelt: Letter on the Resolution of Federation of Federal Employees Against Strikes in Federal Service
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I’m glad that we have something we can both agree on.

    Yes, FDR got it right on many occasions here a few.

    From his State of the Union Address on January 11, 1944.

    In his address Roosevelt suggested that the nation had come to recognize, and should now implement, a second "bill of rights".

    Which were.

    Employment, with a living wage

    Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies

    Housing

    Medical care,

    Education, and

    Social security

    The we have him saying this in a letter on August 16, 1937.

    < The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government. >

    Note the part that I have bolded.

    I,m sure that the e-mail that is being passed around and being parrated on this thread is referring to this part of the letter.

    < This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable. It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that "under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States >

    Enjoy.

    Franklin D. Roosevelt: Letter on the Resolution of Federation of Federal Employees Against Strikes in Federal Service
    Did you read the article you posted?

    Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.

    All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Did you read the article you posted?
    I sure did, evidently your lack of reading comprehension is kicking in again.

    I was responding to this post by you.

    Originally Posted by Conservative

    If that is the case, so be it, there is no place in this country for public unions funded by the taxpayers. On this FDR got it right but of course liberals ignore that.
    I,ll put it under your post…with any luck at all you can get the drift of what President Roosevolt was saying.

    <The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry.>
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I sure did, evidently your lack of reading comprehension is kicking in again.

    I was responding to this post by you.



    I,ll put it under your post…with any luck at all you can get the drift of what President Roosevolt was saying.

    <The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry.>
    Yet his own words followed and I posted those which of course you ignored. Are you telling me that FDR endorsed public unions? The desire for fair and adequate pay, etc. can be generated without unions and as FDR stated which of course you ignored,

    All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress.
    Maybe it is you that needs to learn how to read.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yet his own words followed and I posted those which of course you ignored. Are you telling me that FDR endorsed public unions? The desire for fair and adequate pay, etc. can be generated without unions and as FDR stated which of course you ignored,



    Maybe it is you that needs to learn how to read.
    OK...i get it now,your taking the ole obtuse defense.


    You said this …….
    there is no place in this country for public unions funded by the taxpayers.

    FDR said this …….
    The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry.

    Case closed, go take your nap.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Its not about the budget, its about power -

    "For what's happening in Wisconsin isn't about the state budget, despite Walker's pretense that he's just trying to be fiscally responsible. It is, instead, about power. What Walker and his backers are trying to do is to make Wisconsin - and eventually, America - less of a functioning democracy and more of a Third World-style oligarchy. And that's why anyone who believes that we need some counterweight to the political power of big money should be on the demonstrators' side.

    Some background: Wisconsin is indeed facing a budget crunch, although its difficulties are less severe than those facing many other states. Revenue has fallen in the face of a weak economy, while stimulus funds, which helped close the gap in 2009 and 2010, have faded away.

    In this situation, it makes sense to call for shared sacrifice, including monetary concessions from state workers. And union leaders have signaled that they are, in fact, willing to make such concessions.

    But Walker isn't interested in making a deal. Partly that's because he doesn't want to share the sacrifice: Even as he proclaims that Wisconsin faces a terrible fiscal crisis, he has been pushing through tax cuts that make the deficit worse. Mainly, however, he has made it clear that rather than bargaining with workers, he wants to end workers' ability to bargain.

    The bill that has inspired the demonstrations would strip away collective bargaining rights for many of the state's workers, in effect busting public-employee unions. Tellingly, some workers - namely, those who tend to be Republican-leaning - are exempted from the ban; it's as if Walker were flaunting the political nature of his actions.

    Why bust the unions? As I said, it has nothing to do with helping Wisconsin deal with its current fiscal crisis. Nor is it likely to help the state's budget prospects even in the long run: Contrary to what you may have heard, public-sector workers in Wisconsin and elsewhere are paid somewhat less than private-sector workers with comparable qualifications, so there's not much room for further pay squeezes.

    So it's not about the budget; it's about the power."
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    OK...i get it now,your taking the ole obtuse defense.


    You said this …….


    FDR said this …….


    Case closed, go take your nap.
    You are unbelieveable and just typical of those who want to bait and troll. You don't have a clue. would you say that FDR was pro union? How many public unions did FDR support and how many Federal Employee unions did FDR have to deal with?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    QUOTE Conservative;

    would you say that FDR was pro union?
    Yes

    How many public unions did FDR support and how many Federal Employee unions did FDR have to deal with?
    At least the NFFE, as per the letter... <I congratulate the National Federation of Federal Employees the twentieth anniversary of its founding and trust that the convention will, in every way, be successful.>
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not a fan of the rule of law?
    not a fan of thinking?

    you clearly have a rather stilted understanding of constitutional law and the arguments that surround it.

    You claimed that I said unions were unconstitutional which never did and then you claim that anyone who correctly notes that the FDR courts ignored both 130 years of stare decisis and the obvious intent of the USSC is not a "fan of the rule of law"

    pretty pathetic evasion on your part
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