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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i will say this SLOOOOOOWLY FOR YOU...no dues are used...any money spent on politics is collected by voluntary contribution....as for the rest of your post, read the thread.
    That's total BS. If dues were not used for political contributions, why did the Supreme Court have to rule on the practice in 1988 in the Communications Workers vs Beck case. Nonunion workers were required to pay union dues, but sued to pay only the portion of the dues that went directly to representation. They did NOT want their dues to be used for political purposes. The court ruled that nonunion workers only have to pay the portion of the dues that went directly for representation and none for political or charitible contributions.

    In addition, numerous states have passed laws preventing unions from using dues for political contributions, but most have not. California had a ballot iniative in 2005 that would prohibit dues from being used for political purposes without written consent of the union member.

    If dues cannot be used for political purposes, why are so many states trying to pass laws prohibiting it ???

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i support what the governor is asking for when it comes to contributing more to their pensions and insurance..,i'd be ok with him wanting to phase out pensions, and switch over to 401k plans...but wanting to take away their collective bargaining rights is total bs.
    Lol, I'm doing great, and I don't have "collective bargaining rights."

    Why do you think government workers paid by taxpayer dollars should be able to unionize? If you don't like the job, do something else. They have college degrees for crying out loud.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    That's total BS. If dues were not used for political contributions, why did the Supreme Court have to rule on the practice in 1988 in the Communications Workers vs Beck case. Nonunion workers were required to pay union dues, but sued to pay only the portion of the dues that went directly to representation. They did NOT want their dues to be used for political purposes. The court ruled that nonunion workers only have to pay the portion of the dues that went directly for representation and none for political or charitible contributions.

    In addition, numerous states have passed laws preventing unions from using dues for political contributions, but most have not. California had a ballot iniative in 2005 that would prohibit dues from being used for political purposes without written consent of the union member.

    If dues cannot be used for political purposes, why are so many states trying to pass laws prohibiting it ???
    Absolutely right. And these unions are giving millions to the very people who are sitting at the bargaining table with them. Ridiculous.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    If that is the case, so be it, there is no place in this country for public unions funded by the taxpayers. On this FDR got it right but of course liberals ignore that.
    You may want to check your calendar. Mine reads 2011 - not 1933.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    here is my comment that catawba claims says that I believe unions were unconstitutional
    some of us actually think the constitution ought to be applied as written an intended

    Not a fan of the rule of law?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    The Last Time Scott Walker Went Union Busting, He Was Overruled And Wasted Taxpayer Dollars

    "The last time Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) went after public sector unions it had “disastrous results” for him and for taxpayers. As Milwaukee County Executive in 2009, Walker tried to get rid of the unionized security guards at the county courthouse and replace them with contractors, which he promised would save the county money. The County Board rejected the idea, but in March of 2010 Walker “unilaterally ordered it,” claiming there was a budget emergency. Walker hired the British security contractor Wackenhut — of Kabul Embassy sex scandal fame — to replace the guards. Unfortunately for Walker and Milwaukee taxpayers, an arbiter later ruledthat Walker had overstepped his authority, and ordered the county to reinstate the unionized workers, pay backwages, and pay tens-of-thousands of dollars in arbiter fees. As MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow pointed out last night, Walker’s “dress rehersal” for his current union busting effort may end up costing Milwaukee taxpayers an extra half a million dollars."
    The Last Time Scott Walker Went Union Busting, He Was Overruled And Wasted Taxpayer Dollars | AlterNet
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Last Time Scott Walker Went Union Busting, He Was Overruled And Wasted Taxpayer Dollars

    "The last time Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) went after public sector unions it had “disastrous results” for him and for taxpayers. As Milwaukee County Executive in 2009, Walker tried to get rid of the unionized security guards at the county courthouse and replace them with contractors, which he promised would save the county money. The County Board rejected the idea, but in March of 2010 Walker “unilaterally ordered it,” claiming there was a budget emergency. Walker hired the British security contractor Wackenhut — of Kabul Embassy sex scandal fame — to replace the guards. Unfortunately for Walker and Milwaukee taxpayers, an arbiter later ruledthat Walker had overstepped his authority, and ordered the county to reinstate the unionized workers, pay backwages, and pay tens-of-thousands of dollars in arbiter fees. As MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow pointed out last night, Walker’s “dress rehersal” for his current union busting effort may end up costing Milwaukee taxpayers an extra half a million dollars."
    The Last Time Scott Walker Went Union Busting, He Was Overruled And Wasted Taxpayer Dollars | AlterNet
    Apparently Scott Walker learned from his mistakes...
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Last Time Scott Walker Went Union Busting, He Was Overruled And Wasted Taxpayer Dollars

    "The last time Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) went after public sector unions it had “disastrous results” for him and for taxpayers. As Milwaukee County Executive in 2009, Walker tried to get rid of the unionized security guards at the county courthouse and replace them with contractors, which he promised would save the county money. The County Board rejected the idea, but in March of 2010 Walker “unilaterally ordered it,” claiming there was a budget emergency. Walker hired the British security contractor Wackenhut — of Kabul Embassy sex scandal fame — to replace the guards. Unfortunately for Walker and Milwaukee taxpayers, an arbiter later ruledthat Walker had overstepped his authority, and ordered the county to reinstate the unionized workers, pay backwages, and pay tens-of-thousands of dollars in arbiter fees. As MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow pointed out last night, Walker’s “dress rehersal” for his current union busting effort may end up costing Milwaukee taxpayers an extra half a million dollars."
    The Last Time Scott Walker Went Union Busting, He Was Overruled And Wasted Taxpayer Dollars | AlterNet
    The article calls it wasting taxpayer dollars. I call it a noble battle fought and lost...and proving, yet again, that unions have the taxpayer by the yang-yangs.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not a fan of the rule of law?
    Meh, not to mention any lawyer would tell you that "applied as written and intended" is a funny statement. The job of the law is to interpret that very statement, and many different results occur. For instance, many claim that because the words "separation of church and state" don't appear in the Constitution that no where does it imply that the state and religion should be kept separate. However, others will point out that the words clearly indicate it and that actual spoken words by the people who wrote the document show intent of separation.

    One amendment, two different interpretations. There is no right or wrong, unfortunately, since interpretations are subjective (that is until you put it in front of a judge who decides which argument makes more sense).

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You may want to check your calendar. Mine reads 2011 - not 1933.
    What does the year have to do with the argument FDR used to not support public unions? The same argument today!

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