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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You claimed unions were not constitutional. I've demonstrated that they are by the rule of law.
    where did I say that.



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually most legal scholars admit the New deal was a rejection of the original intent as well as the existing precedent

    read the various commentaries on schechter poultry etc
    here is my comment that catawba claims says that I believe unions were unconstitutional



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    The New Deal was ONLY accepted because FDR bullied the Supreme Court...

    It's the ONLY reason he got his Ruling on the Commerce Clause.


    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    here is my comment that catawba claims says that I believe unions were unconstitutional
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    The New Deal was ONLY accepted because FDR bullied the Supreme Court...

    It's the ONLY reason he got his Ruling on the Commerce Clause.
    yep, they rolled over and played dead and then agreed to reject the founders and 130 years of precedent



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Absolutely.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yep, they rolled over and played dead and then agreed to reject the founders and 130 years of precedent
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    The radical right wing revisionism on American History is producing complete and total ignorance of the real America and its actual history. This latest waterfall of mistruth is just the most recent example.

    Does Turtle have his list of "scholars" with a clear majority indicated to back up his statement that


    actually most legal scholars admit the New deal was a rejection of the original intent as well as the existing precedent
    I am sure we all would love to see that authoritative and verifiable survey of all legal scholars and be able to identify the majority opinion as surveyed.

    This is just another example of Turtle and other right wingers attempting to take biased personal opinion based on extremist ideology and put it in a Halloween costume disguised as fact. So lets see the data to back this up. Not the opinion of a few conservatives on the far right, but something which really quantifies that boast of MOST legal scholars.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The radical right wing revisionism on American History is producing complete and total ignorance of the real America and its actual history. This latest waterfall of mistruth is just the most recent example.

    Does Turtle have his list of "scholars" with a clear majority indicated to back up his statement that




    I am sure we all would love to see that authoritative and verifiable survey of all legal scholars and be able to identify the majority opinion as surveyed.

    This is just another example of Turtle and other right wingers attempting to take biased personal opinion based on extremist ideology and put it in a Halloween costume disguised as fact. So lets see the data to back this up. Not the opinion of a few conservatives on the far right, but something which really quantifies that boast of MOST legal scholars.
    Since it apparently went right over your head, how about reviewing some of the posts on this thread and tell us what FDR's position was on public unions? Seems that the author of the New Deal that liberals love to champion doesn't have the same position on public unions as those on the left.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    You claim that you were at one time a shop steward (yet you don’t know where, or what your craft was at the time) and you still make the claim that union dues gets used for political purposes? I suggest you use goggle. Here are the key words …. Union Dues + Political Purposes
    What is your point?

    Since 1990, labor unions have contributed over $667 million in election campaigns in the United States, of which $614 million or 92 percent went to support Democratic candidates. In 2008, unions spent $74.5 million in campaign contributions, with $68.3 million going to the Democratic Party. Already, unions have contributed $6.5 million to the 2010 elections, and $6 million has gone to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics in Washington, D.C.

    In the $787 billion stimulus spending bill passed in February, $90 billion has been earmarked to help cover the tax shortfalls in state and local government budgets due to the economic recession. Most of this money will be used to maintain or increase jobs at these levels of government, since those in political office are apparently unwilling to reduce expenditures and cut public payrolls in the face of decreased tax revenues.

    This is no doubt related to $38 million dollars that the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Union has contributed to Democratic Party campaigns since 1990, with nearly $2.6 million being given during the 2008 election. Public sector unions as a whole have given around $160 million to Democratic candidates between 1990 and 2008, with donations of $6 million in 2008.

    First the Bush and now the Obama administration have spent or promised at least $60-70 billion to support now bankrupt General Motors and Chrysler. The Obama White House has committed the government and the American taxpayer to keeping afloat both companies in the name of saving jobs in what is declared to be an essential sector of the U.S. economy. It is more easily able to do this now that the Federal government owns majority control of GM and 8 percent of Chrysler,

    But it is also the case that the United Auto Workers union has donated almost $25 million to Democratic Party candidates since 1990, contributing $2 million of that total in the 2008 election cycle.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    From Governor Walker:

    "You are not going to hear me degrade state and local employees in the public sector," Walker said. "But we can no longer live in a society where the public employees are the haves and taxpayers who foot the bills are the have-nots."

    As a short-term measure, Walker wants to require workers to make a 5% contribution to their pensions. State union workers have traditionally not contributed to their plans. He also wants to increase employees' share of health costs to 12% - up from 4% to 6%, depending on the bargaining unit. Those changes would save $154 million from January to June 30 alone.
    A 5% contribution to their own pension funds. How cruel. 12% of their healthcare costs. OMFG!!! The sky is falling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Read what I posted, I don't care who pays your salary and benefits because it is handled by private industry. If your union puts your company out of business, so be it, although it then becomes the taxpayers' problem. Not so with public unions, our taxdollars fund their pay and benefits and thus are their employer. Seems like a hard concept for those supporting the Wisconsin union protests to understand.
    you seem to forget, or choose to ignore, that union members pay taxes to, and are 'taxpayers'....

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