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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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Did you even read my post? The CEO makes a ratio of 2150:1. You are saying Wal-Mart cannot afford unions without raising prices?

When you get out of school come back to me with the answer. You simply don't have a clue. Wal-Mart has made the choice and they are the largest retailer in the world employing hundreds of thousands of employees. That is a private sector business that can do what it wants. They chose not to allow unions, good for them. Based upon exchanges we have had I can see why you will probably need a union when you get out of school. I never even considered joining a company with a union and preferred to generate my own paycheck, benefits, and pay raises.

I really don't care what a CEO makes, what any liberal here makes, or even what you are going to make. Life is about choices, choose wisely and unions won't even be an issue.
 
Let's see yours that they're not. As a Conservative poster on DP, I post link after link after LINK with my opinions. Those I disagree with seldom post any -- but they're great at askin' for them.

I posted a link (I think it was actually to YOU) showing that private school teachers make less than public school teachers. I'll not be looking for it again. I'm sure you can find it yourself if you choose. But then you won't believe it when you see it anyway.

Even in 2003, teachers would have been below the US average income for a person with a Bachelor's degree of more. The 2003 Census figure for that demographic was $72,376.
Educational attainment in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
seriously? are seriously saying, that these folks don't earn their pay? thank you for the best laugh i've had all day.

I asked you a question, where does the money come from that those public workers are paid?
 
Their head is going to hurt with facts like that Catawba. This is suppose to be about "beliefs" - not hard and cold objective facts.
 
I asked you a question, where does the money come from that those public workers are paid?
i don't care where it comes from, it could come from the man on the moon...they perform a service, and yes, they earn that money. just because you disagree, doesnt mean it isnt so.
 
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Even in 2003, teachers would have been below the US average income for a person with a Bachelor's degree of more. The 2003 Census figure for that demographic was $72,376.
Educational attainment in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So let me see if I have this right, school teachers had no idea what they were getting into when they went into the field? Have you ever created a job in your life? How do you decide what to pay someone for their service? Where does personal responsibility like in your world?
 
OK.

Average salary in the U.S. for a college graduate: $43,000 and average for a masters is $53,000.

Source

I'd say that falls well within the range of teachers, EXCEPT, when you figure the average hourly rate.

In that case:

Bachelors Degree:
Teachers- $28.00/hour
Non-Teachers- $20.67/hour

Masters Degree:
Teachers- $34.50/hour
Non-teachers- $25.48/hour

These numbers don't include benefits.

How many hours per week is that estimate? I would be very interested in seeing the math behind it.
 
i don't care where it comes from, it could from the man on the moon...they perform a service, and yes, they earn that money. just because you disagree, doesnt mean it isnt so.

Nice answer but really a diversion, I know you can come up with the answer. Never said they didn't earn the money so I will ask you again, where does the money come from? Where does your paycheck come from? Does your company have a money printing press in the office? Show me that you have a clue
 
Competition in the free market is new to you? I blame our education system.
If Wal-Mart moved in to compete, you can move out to compete.
You can also pick a market to compete in without Wal-Mart. Hell, you can use Wal-Mart in your supply chain.

You don't really have a point in any of this.

The US doesn't practice free-market economics. A free market would be the bane of the GOP since it would mean the end of publicly (or deficit) funded subsidies for their corporate buddies.
 
How many hours per week is that estimate? I would be very interested in seeing the math behind it.

How about looking it up yourself?

Something this doesn't take into account is that the job of a public school teacher works around 180 days a year. Private sector? 220. Hmmmmm......
 
Nice answer but really a diversion, I know you can come up with the answer. Never said they didn't earn the money so I will ask you again, where does the money come from? Where does your paycheck come from? Does your company have a money printing press in the office? Show me that you have a clue
what does it matter where it came from if they earned it?
 
Cannot wait until you answer the question about where the money comes from that union workers "earn."

Tax revenue of course. Now lets carry this egg another step shall we. Where does money originate that goes into the treasury to pay the pubic sector workers?
 
How many hours per week is that estimate? I would be very interested in seeing the math behind it.

The numbers are based on a standard 40 hour week. Teachers work 192 days a year, or 1,536 hours. Non-teachers work 260 days a year, or 2,080 hours.

I used the same base salary for both, $43,000. for bachelors and $53,000. for masters degrees.
 
i don't care where it comes from, it could come from the man on the moon...they perform a service, and yes, they earn that money. just because you disagree, doesnt mean it isnt so.

Let's see if you have the guts to answer the question or admit that you don't know the answer. Which is it?
 
So let me see if I have this right, school teachers had no idea what they were getting into when they went into the field? Have you ever created a job in your life? How do you decide what to pay someone for their service? Where does personal responsibility like in your world?

You remind me of Indiana Jones who admitted that he just made it all up as he went along.

Next time, it would be really great if your post had something to do with the quote that preceded it.
 
When you get out of school come back to me with the answer. You simply don't have a clue. Wal-Mart has made the choice and they are the largest retailer in the world employing hundreds of thousands of employees. That is a private sector business that can do what it wants. They chose not to allow unions, good for them. Based upon exchanges we have had I can see why you will probably need a union when you get out of school. I never even considered joining a company with a union and preferred to generate my own paycheck, benefits, and pay raises.

I really don't care what a CEO makes, what any liberal here makes, or even what you are going to make. Life is about choices, choose wisely and unions won't even be an issue.

That didn't answer anything. You basically just said, "I am right, you are wrong. Shut up."

What makes one person in a company worth 2100 times another? How much would the CEO be making if it was not for the cashiers, stock boys, greeters, janitors, etc?
 
How many CEO's do you fund with your purchases and why if you care so much about what a private sector CEO makes do you purchase from their company?

All of a CEO's salary is produced from the added on cost of products purchased by the public. Why would you not question getting ripped off by CEO's lavish lifestyle and then turn around and begrudge a teacher an adequate salary for the services they provide?
 
Tax revenue of course. Now lets carry this egg another step shall we. Where does money originate that goes into the treasury to pay the pubic sector workers?

Thank you, finally an honest answer, and the answer to yours most of it comes from private sector employees that constitute most of the work force who get their money as pay for selling products or services to other members of the public. Maybe you ought to take a finance and economic course.
 
Let's see if you have the guts to answer the question or admit that you don't know the answer. Which is it?
again, what does it matter? they perform a service, they are compensated for performing that service, hence, the term they 'EARN' the money they get...you are just pissed because they are unionized, that is what this is about, not about who pays them, at least quit being dishonest and admit this is your endgame.
 
All of a CEO's salary is produced from the added on cost of products purchased by the public. Why would you not question getting ripped off by CEO's lavish lifestyle and then turn around and begrudge a teacher an adequate salary for the services they provide?

If I feel I am ripped off by a company I don't buy from them thus don't create any revenue that is used to pay CEO's. No such luck paying the Federal or State governments
 
again, what does it matter? they perform a service, they are compensated for performing that service, hence, the term they 'EARN' the money they get...you are just pissed because they are unionized, that is what this is about, not about who pays them, at least quit being dishonest and admit this is your endgame.

Donc answered the question, you aren't mature enough to admit you are wrong. Teachers are funded by the school board who gets their revenue from taxes collected from the people in their district thus teachers are funded by the taxpayers as are ALL public employees.
 
The numbers are based on a standard 40 hour week. Teachers work 192 days a year, or 1,536 hours. Non-teachers work 260 days a year, or 2,080 hours.

I used the same base salary for both, $43,000. for bachelors and $53,000. for masters degrees.

That seems reasonable. I am not sure it is fair to say that teachers work 40 hours a week since most work 8am-3pm and have plenty of work to do out of class (but I am sure that over 40 hours a week is true for most jobs).

The other question though is what is wrong with teachers earning a bit more than the average of degrees? Consider that most common degree Bachelors in Arts (for Business). Business degrees are a dime a dozen and are relatively easy to attain. Why shouldn't teachers be paid more than those people?
 
Oil Subsidies allow oil companies to keep more of what they earn, it isn't a payback from the treasury.

It is--as a result of those subsidies, other people's (or your kids') taxes will be increased to cover it.
 
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