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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    your phony baloney "winner" has nothing there about corruption that relates to the Wisconsin labor unions. Nothing.

    If we used such low standards of general association to indict other groups, no school child could be within 1,000 feet of a Catholic church because some priests have molested kids.
    I thought he was asked to show corruption in unions. He did that. Did you miss all the pages of it? Go back and look and then say Unions don't have a problem with corruption.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    some of us actually think the constitution ought to be applied as written an intended
    LOL! As interpreted by TurtleDude rather than the rule of law, right?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It's also paid by nonmembers So much for choice. Don't want to join the Union, too bad, you pay as a nonmember then. We just won't make you pay for our political activism.

    Union Corruption | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation

    Under Foundation-won precedent in the Supreme Court case Communication Workers v. Beck, the Court held that nonmember employees in states without Right to Work protections for its workers may still be forced to pay certain union fees as a condition of employment, but they do have the right to refrain from paying union dues spent for activities like political activism, lobbying, and member-only events.
    Despite her being a nonmember, SEIU union officials continued to collect full union dues from Smith’s paycheck for 10 more months. In September 2010, Smith and SEIU union officials reached a settlement in which she received the difference of full union dues and the union fees that she is forced to pay for the union bosses’ so-called “representation
    So what? They get plenty of services in return for their dues.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Besides the fact that almost everything you said is completely unsubstantiated?
    Just Say No.

    Prove anything you just said. You realize that we are far behind many countries technologically speaking and regarding infrastructure. It would be hard to say that America is on the forefront of anything right now.
    You do realize government is in our lives in more ways than ever before too... don't you?

    It is why businesses go overseas. Too much intrusion and theft of wealth.


    How? That sounds excellent, but it was just a bunch of words grouped together with no backing.
    Yeah... no backing. It took America 170-years to be the world leader... actually shorter. Freedom, Liberty, Individual Rights. We kicked the asses of those aged and all knowing nations not because we are superior individuals, but because we had a far superior system. The Free market. Now we have followed their worst examples and have 13,000,000,000,000 in debt! Most accumulated with Government Sanctioned Idiocy aimed to "help". Some help... it's destroyed.

    Without government intervention like Sarbanes-Oxley, what would have been created in the private sector to avoid other Enron-like situations? A great example is the recent crash. There has been no regulation to fix derivatives trading. What has the free market done to guarantee us that our companies will not buy into falsley certified bad derivatives?
    Their brains. Use common sense. If they don't have enough of it... too ****ing bad. Their CHOICE!

    Sarbanes-Oxley was overkill, a costly, unnecessary burden on business.

    The free market has its positives. I don't know why you think you are educated me on that. I am not anti-free market. I am, however, a realist. The free market is not perfect and without regulations, the free market will run amok. This seems to be contrary to most conservative talking points that claim that leaving the free market alone is the solution to everything. It is my opinion that leaving the free market alone is ignorant and will only lead to relapses.
    The Free Market is the engine that creates jobs and wealth... and makes billions of decisions that improve lives. It is flexible as hell. Government is a 10,000 mile long supertanker... it is slow... corrupt... and doesn't look at business decisions as business people do. The 55mph speed limit was designed to save fuel during a supposed "oil crisis", and then be phased out. Took 25-years, wasted fuel and was simply idiotic.... but that's Liberal Government.

    Also, nice straw man on the pollution argument. What country was I defending again? Oh wait, I wasn't. I was simply saying that without government restrictions, the free market would pollute as much as necessary to make a profit. Do you disagree?
    No straw... fact.

    I've never said there shouldn't be government, but it is way, way, way too intrusive. Just look at the Global Warming idiocy. Unproven, using junk science, smoke and mirrors. It's another channel being used to control lives and restrict freedoms. That's , the worst of government, that's Liberal Government.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I thought he was asked to show corruption in unions. He did that. Did you miss all the pages of it? Go back and look and then say Unions don't have a problem with corruption.
    I saw precious little that was there and NOTHING which applied to the topic of public sector unions in what we are talking about - Wisconsin.

    Of course if you want to destroy an entire organization because of the wrong doing of a few - you should begin shutting down every Catholic Church in your state. And add the fundamentalist Protestant churches to that number also in fairness to a long list of swarmy and corrupt preachers and ministers. You should also try to get every Republican politician in your state to resign since a few of them have been convicted of corruption. And you should advocate abolishing corporations since some of them have seen their officers convicted of corruption.

    But I suspect your feigned outrage is rather selective based on who worship with you before the same altar of right wing ideology.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wrong-you suggested that business support of the parties was hugely in favor of the GOP

    that was proven wrong
    I corrected that. In 2010 70% of the top ten big money groups were conservative and 30% were the unions. And guess what, overwhelming support still means gave more.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    A one party system is inevitable. The big question is who will it be.
    It was shown earlier (in this thread, I think) that without the unions it will pretty much be a level playing field.

    No need for libs to get their panties in a wad. Besides, the unions aren't going anywhere. However, it would be great for the country if at least the public sector unions went away. They have plenty of protection with Civil Service Protection laws. That's what Walker is failing to get through to people.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    LOL! As interpreted by TurtleDude rather than the rule of law, right?
    actually most legal scholars admit the New deal was a rejection of the original intent as well as the existing precedent

    read the various commentaries on schechter poultry etc



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It was shown earlier (in this thread, I think) that without the unions it will pretty much be a level playing field.

    No need for libs to get their panties in a wad. Besides, the unions aren't going anywhere. However, it would be great for the country if at least the public sector unions went away. They have plenty of protection with Civil Service Protection laws. That's what Walker is failing to get through to people.
    agreed, public sector unions don't do anything but protect incompetence and jack up the costs to taxpayers.

    prevailing wage laws and other protections of the union workers remain even if those corrupt institutions were removed. its not like all the AFSCME workers are going to get paid Min wage if that Union croaked



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what i expect is that the media fully report what he said, and cns does not meet that challenge.
    You'd expect the media would report a lot of things they don't. Unfortunately the media died in 2008.
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