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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I said unions were corrupt I did not say a specific union. When you have nothing you show it
    That is ridiculous. All this anger is directed at Wisconsin and it is the public employee unions in Wisconsin who are the topic.

    Do you condemn all Republicans because some have been convicted of corruption?
    Do you condemn all religious clerics because some have been convicted of corruption?
    Do you condemn all business exectuives because some have been convicted of corruption?

    This is thread a discussion about the events and the unions in Wisconsin that Walker is trying to break. Please post accordingly and stay on topic.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    From your link

    * Green Bay: $55,110
    * Kenosha: $68,400
    * Madison: $50,770
    * Milwaukee: $54,620
    * Racine: $49,710

    All above $47,000

    From your other link

    Average Salary: $46,390

    Showing the $47,000 is pretty accurate and you Soros funded group is lying
    I have no idea what you are talking about of what your point is.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Links that supposedly show "average salaries" are invariably put out by biased sources. Here's real true data by teacher name. Of course, by design, it is very difficult to navigate....name-by-name. I checked six "Smith" last names:

    The first number is their salaries. The second number is the cost of fringes. All for just plain old teachers:

    Laura $62,056 + $33,870
    Andrew $76,365 + $20,907
    Jeni $45,747 + $18,237
    Shannon $60,868 + $31,419
    Renee $26,628 + $17,519 for 25% employment multiplied times the 4 schools she works at: $106,512 + $70,076
    Lola $57,567 + $30,054

    These salaries are golden. And each and every one of them paid with property taxes that are regressive. It's time teachers joined the real world. The Governor gave notice their contract will no longer be honored as of March 13th. Good for him. They have tried to negotiate higher contributions to their fabulous fringes -- and only now has the union said, "Okay, we'll do that." Can they be trusted? Of course not.

    I don't think their right to bargain should be taken away, though. Wisconsin should just make sure that those who negotiate these contracts have the stones to hold tight. That hasn't been the case in the past.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is ridiculous. All this anger is directed at Wisconsin and it is the public employee unions in Wisconsin who are the topic.

    Do you condemn all Republicans because some have been convicted of corruption?
    Do you condemn all religious clerics because some have been convicted of corruption?
    Do you condemn all business exectuives because some have been convicted of corruption?

    This is thread a discussion about the events and the unions in Wisconsin that Walker is trying to break. Please post accordingly and stay on topic.
    I see you have no defense so you will not admit corruption. Taking members money and using it for politics is corruption. members do not give dues to support democrats

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I see you have no defense so you will not admit corruption. Taking members money and using it for politics is corruption. members do not give dues to support democrats
    I show your sources wrong you have nothing and the $47,000 is accurate

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I see you have no defense so you will not admit corruption. Taking members money and using it for politics is corruption. members do not give dues to support democrats
    Not only do you overgeneralize, not saying a specific union broke a specific law, but you state something clearly false. Supporting a candidate or a party is not a sign of corruption.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Links that supposedly show "average salaries" are invariably put out by biased sources. Here's real true data by teacher name. Of course, by design, it is very difficult to navigate....name-by-name. I checked six "Smith" last names:

    The first number is their salaries. The second number is the cost of fringes. All for just plain old teachers:

    Laura $62,056 + $33,870
    Andrew $76,365 + $20,907
    Jeni $45,747 + $18,237
    Shannon $60,868 + $31,419
    Renee $26,628 + $17,519 for 25% employment multiplied times the 4 schools she works at: $106,512 + $70,076
    Lola $57,567 + $30,054

    These salaries are golden. And each and every one of them paid with property taxes that are regressive. It's time teachers joined the real world. The Governor gave notice their contract will no longer be honored as of March 13th. Good for him. They have tried to negotiate higher contributions to their fabulous fringes -- and only now has the union said, "Okay, we'll do that." Can they be trusted? Of course not.

    I don't think their right to bargain should be taken away, though. Wisconsin should just make sure that those who negotiate these contracts have the stones to hold tight. That hasn't been the case in the past.
    All these salaries were negotiated between the legal representatives of the people and the legal representatives of the teachers.

    You picking out a very very very small number of teachers and attempting to pretend that they are somehow more useful that averages of thousands of teachers in information suppled by the districts is really a stretch and I think its not at all useful or even informative.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I see you have no defense so you will not admit corruption. Taking members money and using it for politics is corruption. members do not give dues to support democrats
    No defense of what exactly??????? Can you please be specific and exact in your charges? What are you accusing and who are you accusing?

    Your last few posts jump from A to Z without any letters in between and do not make much - if any sense.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    it's corrupt for unions to support politicians? ok.....then it must be corrupt for corporations to support pols as well. sigh.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All these salaries were negotiated between the legal representatives of the people and the legal representatives of the teachers.

    You picking out a very very very small number of teachers and attempting to pretend that they are somehow more useful that averages of thousands of teachers in information suppled by the districts is really a stretch and I think its not at all useful or even informative.
    Any numbers put out by the school districts are skewed and cannot be relied on. Individual salaries tell the truth.
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