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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    You are correct. I incorrectly stated the news I'd heard previously. My apologies. The news item was about the 2010 election, and how out of the top ten groups making campaign donations, 7 out of the 10 were conservative organizations and the remaining 3 were unions.

    I just verified that for myself here: Outside Spending | OpenSecrets
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    People still defend unions?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    People still defend unions?
    Apparently, only the people that would not be fond of a one party regime in this country.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    If that's what they taxpayers want, then they should receive it. I am only saying, poking fun at the very institutions that made America great and allowed our workers to be some of the happiest in the world is not a proper way.



    That statement makes no sense.



    Yeah, there are always a few idiots in every crowd. At the Rally To Restore Sanity, some people missed the memo and brought serious signs. It was quite unfortunate, but it just goes to show that idiots ruin all the fun.
    Unions never made America great. Do you work for a union, or are you a member of a union? I want to know whom I'm debating.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Thats what we expect from a Soros funded liberal group

    Soros directly financing Wisconsin liberal advocacy groups Wisconsin Truth Project
    Nothing in this 'source' has any relevant information about the Wisconsin labor situation. NOTHING. Why is it even linked to?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Their usefulness died with Hoffa

    Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

    George Santayana said something along those lines. I would urge anyone who thinks there is no need for unions to get hold of a good history book on the rise of Industry in America and begin reading. You will discover that very little changes in human nature making unions very very necessary.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    How many times in heaven only knows how many Wisconsin threads have people brought up this garbage from this front group called MacIver Insititute? It has been exposed and thoroughly discredited as presenting bogus lies packaged as truth.

    Consider this from One Wisconsin


    Be warned: The MacIver Institute is a not a news service. It is not a member of the traditional media. It is a right wing educational “charitable” organization and it is gathering footage to advance its conservative, anti-worker agenda.

    Talking to the MacIver Institute is abetting the conservative movement in its efforts to ensure progressive values and issues are not a part of the public policy debate. MacIver has spent considerable time criticizing the 2009-11 state budget, the Recovery Act, reforming the health insurance industry and stopping global climate change.

    MacIver is financed and run by leading conservatives, many with long ties to the Republican Party. Speaking on camera with the MacIver Institute helps the conservative movement by giving legitimacy to its faux “reporting,” as its “interviews” are regularly posted on the MacIver website.

    WHO IS THE MACIVER INSTITUTE
    The MacIver Institute is a conservative, pro-corporate organization founded in 2009 to advance conservative ideas and values. Its top staff is long-time Republican campaign strategists and its board of directors includes leading Republicans, most notably Mark Block, the head of Americans for Prosperity-WI, Fred Lubar, deep-pocketed Republican donor and Jim Troupis, lawyer to leading Republicans such as Assembly Speaker Scott Jensen and ethically-challenged Supreme Court Justices Mike Gableman and Annette Ziegler.

    Staff: MacIver’s top staffers include both the former Chief of Staff to Scott Jensen and former GOP state senate caucus head and campaign strategist for top Republicans including Attorney General JB Van Hollen.

    Jensen Ties: Initially, MacIver attempted to distance itself from Jensen, stating through a spokesperson that the former Assembly Speaker has no “formal role” with the organization. An investigation by Eye On Wisconsin's Cory Liebmann revealed that the properties of several initial communications from MacIver included the electronic imprint of Scott Jensen. Milwaukee Magazine also talked with Jensen about his involvement and after a preliminary denial, the reporter wrote “Later, Jensen amended that he is a consultant and his ‘main client’ is Alliance for School Choices.” [Milwaukee Magazine.com, 3/10/09]

    MACIVER METHODS
    MacIver has begun dispatching a new staffer, former Rock County television reporter Bill Osmulski, to events to film events and create conservative propaganda pieces as “news reports.” These “reports” are put onto the MacIver website and available for public consumption.

    ISSUE TARGETS
    MacIver hews to the standard conservative lines and its talking points are echoed in the arguments of the state’s leading Republican elected officials. It has referred to the 2009-11 state budget as “$12.8 billion of bad” and “driven by politics and devoid of principle,” has called health insurance reforms at the federal level “budget busting” and has criticized cap and trade. Its top target though, has been the federal Recovery Act and the use of those funds by the state legislature. In repeated postings on its website, MacIver attempts to make the case the legislature and the federal government failed in efforts to solve the economic crisis created by the failed policies of the Bush administration and that the legislature and federal government have failed to create much-needed jobs. [MacIver Institute Website]

    CREDIBILITY
    Immediately after it hired its phony news “reporter,” MacIver was plunged into controversy when it was confirmed the MacIver staffer had gotten an interview with two elected officials by allowing the two elected officials “to think he was just interviewing the two politicians for a local television station, all three men confirmed...” [Wisconsin State Journal, 9/5/09]

    CONSIDERATIONS
    One Wisconsin Now supports healthy and vibrant public policy discussions and this rightfully requires public officials to regularly talk with the media. This does not apply to the MacIver Institute, an ideologically-driven organization, created to advance a policy agenda, in this case an ultra-conservative one.

    The good news is MacIver can only film and put on its website what an individual says on camera. Any progressive who suddenly finds a MacIver camera thrust in his or her face should consider responding with a smiling response of “I am not interested in speaking with Scott Jensen’s right wing think tank.” As MacIver has been less-than-forthright about Jensen’s potential involvement in its operation, it would be interesting to see if they would post this video on their website.
    Not one person has presented any independent verifiable data showing that Wisconsin teachers make - with salaries and benefits - anything approaching this mythical $100K per year figure. Its absurd in the extreme. Perhaps even more absurd is that some people continue to report it. The Big Lie theory is alive and well.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A personal belief and the law are two very different things. This is part of a program to repeal most of the 20th century from right winger radicals.
    some of us actually think the constitution ought to be applied as written an intended

    I understand that would destroy the creeping crud of welfare socialism created by FDR to establish a permanent class of public teat sucklers who have to vote dem or face cold turkey



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    as part of your program to repeal the 20th century political advances for the benefit and behalf of the people of America.
    your frantic responses always attempt to pretend welfare socialism is good for the people when in reality its good for getting dem politicians elected while screwing over America's ability to compete in the long run



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    They mean the same thing counselor. And they both make my point.
    wrong-you suggested that business support of the parties was hugely in favor of the GOP

    that was proven wrong



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