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    The tide is changing as more and more blacks understand how the Democrat Party has kept them dependent. keep believing the leftwing and you too will become dependent. Guess Allen West is what, an "Uncle Tom?"

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    I believe the owner of a business has the right to fire whomever he wants for any reason he wants
    A personal belief and the law are two very different things. This is part of a program to repeal most of the 20th century from right winger radicals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you went from saying overwhelmingly to "gave more "

    you are making a fool of yourself
    No he is asking you something of which you are loathe to do ----- support your claims with independent, authoritative and verifiable evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    another reason to get rid of public sectors unions
    as part of your program to repeal the 20th century political advances for the benefit and behalf of the people of America.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I do like FDR. He said and did a lot of great things. I think I have shown myself to be open to discussion and compromise. Often I ask questions so that I can get a feel for what the overall problem is. For instance, with the WI strikes, I understand why those are mad about the possibility of fake doctors notes and not going to work. What I don't understand is the hatred of the union. I don't understand what exactly these teachers are getting that is causing such an issue.

    Also, this isn't just about the public sector. The same people on these boards who are calling these teachers "slobs" (direct quote) are the same ones who want to knock out all unions - not just those in the public sector. So while your FDR quote is intriguing and I appreciate you bringing up his viewpoint, it isn't entirely relevant.
    How about, a 40% higher salary than those who pay their salaries, the taxpayers, as the average income (salary and benefits) for the entire state of Wisconsin averages less than 60 thousand a year, while these teachers are making over 100 thousand a year in salary and benefits. Yet these teachers are being asked to do nothing but pay a small percentage into their own retirement fund, which is 100% funded by the tax payer right now, that contribution will be 5.8%...the average for private sector workers....is 8%, the teachers are being asked to have 12% copay on this health insurance, while the taxpayer who pays 100% of that benefit right now by average has to make a 20% copay on their insurance.

    The is over a 3 Billion dollar deficit budget that will be realized in the firing of over 6000 Wisconsin public workers...its these two small changes are not made. The teachers are illegally striking right now, not because they will lose any of their base salary, which they by average only work 7 months out of a year to qualify...but they are striking because the new law will make the State of Wisconsin a right to work state instead of Closed Union Shop...pay for play State as it right now. What's really telling is the fact that this contract covers over 300 thousands employees, but there are less than 30 thousand striking, and many are them are being paid by the UNION to strike, many of which are not even teachers.

    There is nothing wrong with collective bargaining in the PRIVATE sector where is the employer is not bound by a budget but can negotiate by the profit that is made. The State of Wisconsin does not run on a for profit basis...there is nothing to negotiate, in fact the State is already 3 Billion in the whole, and concessions must be made or there will be 6000 public workers fired. Its a most simple thing. These public servants should serve the STATE they have taken an oath to serve, as their bosses cannot negotiate with funds they do not possess. When the PEOPLE pass this law....no UNION BYLAW or CONSTITUTION can override that act of legislation. That is why no public servant has the constitutional right to collective bargaining, as explained by FDR.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Why is the left so obsessed with skin color?
    Being able to read a demographic analysis of electoral results is something that any serious student of political science must learn to do.
    Being able to read census results, trends and projections is also a very useful skill that aids anyone in understand both election trends and just who American are.

    This has little with actual skin color and everything to do with demographic trends.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    How about, a 40% higher salary than those who pay their salaries, the taxpayers, as the average income (salary and benefits) for the entire state of Wisconsin averages less than 60 thousand a year, while these teachers are making over 100 thousand a year in salary and benefits. Yet these teachers are being asked to do nothing but pay a small percentage into their own retirement fund, which 100% funded by the tax payer right now, that contribution will be 5.8%...the average for private sector workers....is 8%, the teachers are being asked to have 12% copay on this health insurance, while the taxpayer who pays 100% of that benefit right now by average has to make a 20% copay on their insurance.

    The is over a 3 Billion dollar deficit budget that will be realized in the firing of over 6000 Wisconsin public workers...its these two small changes are not made. The teachers are illegally striking right now, not because they will lose any of their base salary, which they by average only work 7 months out of a year to qualify...but they are striking because the new law will make the State of Wisconsin a right to work state instead of Closed Union Shop...pay for play State as it right now. What's really telling is the fact that this contract covers over 300 thousands employees, but there are less than 30 thousand striking, and many are them are being paid by the UNION to strike, many of which are not even teachers.
    Where are you getting those numbers? I have already shown that a 90% confidence interval of teachers in Wisconsin make between $32-70,000. That's 90%. The median is maxed at $60,000.

    Keep in mind, these people all have at least four-year bachelor's degrees, so they should average at or just above the mean.

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    If the Democrat Party that I belonged to for almost 25 years continues to be hijacked, yep,
    Conservative - you sure that wasn't the DEMOCRATIC PARTY? Since you were in it for 25 long years I would have thought you would have at least learned the name.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Where are you getting those numbers? I have already shown that a 90% confidence interval of teachers in Wisconsin make between $32-70,000. That's 90%. The median is maxed at $60,000.

    Keep in mind, these people all have at least four-year bachelor's degrees, so they should average at or just above the mean.
    But you are failing to add the BENEFITS their bosses, the TAXPAYER are paying at the rate of 100% with no co-payment. Which is the ONLY concession asked of these poor teachers, a contribution to their own retirements, and health care, just like all of America has to do. But, its really "moot", as the STATE BUDGET is controlled by acts of legislation....not UNION CONTRACTS. The point that FDR was making, and anyone with an once of intellectual honesty must concede.

    Average MPS Teacher Compensation Tops $100k/year | MacIver Institute
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    But you are failing to add the BENEFITS their bosses, the TAXPAYER are paying at the rate of 100% with no co-payment. Which is the ONLY concession asked of these poor teachers, a contribution to their own retirements, just like all of America has to do.

    Average MPS Teacher Compensation Tops $100k/year | MacIver Institute
    Where are the details on the fringe benefits? Also, if you are adding in benefits to the teacher's salaries are you adding them into the average WI worker's salary? This all seems pretty weak so far. You just linked me to a site whose tag line is:

    "The Free Market Voice For Wisconsin".

    What are the odds that these guys might be a bit biased? I definitely need some numbers.

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