.I have little disagreement with the above stated facts. But it has little to do with our discussion. We're not talking about creating some massive cultural improvement. This debate is not about failing parents of a certain ethnic group. This is about giving those parents who care a chance to better the lives of their children. Look, if a parent is failing to be a proper parent (regardless of ethnic background), we, as outsiders, can only hope that the children of such parents can learn essential skills on their own and develop a sustainable, prosperous life. For those children, all we can do is hope. But for the thousands of poor parents who actually do care about the future of their children but do not have the means to change their learning environment, a liberalization of education is exactly what they're looking for. I've brought it up with Boo and I'll bring it up with you. Have you been reading about the parent trigger laws in Compton and Chicago? Under your pro-status quo position, those poor parents are screwed. They have no other options. Under my position, they have choices and alternatives
It has quite a bit to do with our discussion since you previously implied I might be racist for stating the fact that African-American children generally score lower in math and science due predominately to socio-econominc reasons. We need to address that obstacle to learning.
I was just reading of the achievements by the Compton public school, "State test scores at the school have risen 77 points over the past two years, said Frank Wells, Southern California representative for the California Teachers Association. "We've got something that appears to be working," he said. "We would've preferred that the parents pushing this would've been more amenable to working with the teachers in the school." This shows education reform does not require the elimination of public schools.
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You are not familiar with public education if you think all special needs kids go to special schools. "The Individuals With Disabilities Education Act (IDEA), as amended in 2004, does not require inclusion. Instead, the law requires that children with disabilities be educated in the "least restrictive environment appropriate” to meet their “unique needs.” And the IDEA contemplates that the "least restrictive environment" analysis will begin with placement the regular education classroom." I know because my wife was a special needs teacher in a public school.So, what about the special needs schools and learning institutions that were created specifically to meet the needs of such students? Are you in denial of their existence?
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Like I said, you get what you pay for. Its what happens when there is a preference for tax dollars going to give the wealthy tax breaks instead of to education.That's if you can get the politicians and bureaucrats to stop wasting money on ridiculous program and fancy buildings. In reality, however, class sizes can only be a certain size. If you see a large influx of students, you can either cram more into the classroom or you can build more classrooms and hire more teachers. Private schools have the resources and the freedom to build more classes, more schools, and hire more teachers. Do you see public schools doing any of that? No, and it's largely because they're restricted by regulation. It took two decades of overcrowding and parental complaints before the district in my town FINALLY decided to build a second school. And when they should be hiring teachers, administrators are instead building fancier buildings and hiring more administrators. While the bureaucratic structure acts like the typical bureaucratic structure, the private schools are doubling, even tripling, the number of schools and the number of teachers in a classroom.
Its only important if we care about being competitive in the world.Do you eat? Is eating an essential part of living? Yes? Yes? Ok, well do you depend on the government (or public sector) to fill your belly with nourishment? Do you depend on the public sector to put clothes on your back or a roof over your head? The vast majority of Americans depend on themselves (the private sector) to meet essential demands for food, clothing, and shelter. Why should health care or education be any different? Those who cannot afford such items (and it is truly a small minority) have charity to depend upon.
What? That is a ridiculous remark. Charity can afford to take on the education of children whose parents truly cannot afford education. My grandfather is a prime example. He was born the old-fashioned way, in a shotgun house at the hands of a midwife. His family had no monetary resources. They depended upon their community to serve their educational needs. A localized community is far more efficient in providing charity for those who need it as opposed to a giant national government that coddles any and all who apply for a handout. And by the way, my specific design for education would mirror the systems in Western Europe where public educational funds are tied directly to the students and it is the parents who decide the education. In the cases of Denmark or the Netherlands, rather than spending 12K per pupil per year on a grossly mismanaged school system, they instead distribute a fraction of that money to parents who then choose (from a variety of options) their child's education. Public schools in such countries are forced to compete with private schools and other public schools for the attention and funds of the parent. And such a system has had remarkable success.
In your grandfather's day, special needs children were kept at home or in institutions, and I would be willing to wager there were not many poor black kids at your grandfathers private school either. You are trying to compare oranges and apples.
I quoted it above and provided a link.That is kind of going in my direction. And do you wish to provide any commentary for such a system?
So you are interested in arriving at the lowest common denominator. Big surprise. I am interested in attracting the best and the brightest. We have different priorities you and I.I'm saying that all degrees are not equal in worth and the market dictates (according to basic supply and demand) the necessary wages of a certain occupation. I highly praise those who live to teach, and such individuals are usually found in private or independent schools. Just look at my comparison. You have one teacher in a public school getting paid fabulous wages compared to his private school counterpart, fabulous benefits (which they certainly are), and union protection. When any of those things are questioned or called under review, the teacher goes on strike and the students are left without a teacher. Where are all the underpaid private school teachers in this fiasco? They're still in their classrooms teaching kids because that is what they live to do.
Who's making a six figure salary? The average teacher salary in Wisconsin is only $51,000. If you add in the benefits, its only $75,000. What do you feel teachers should make? And don't cop out that it depends on market rates. What salary do you think would attract the best of our college graduates?Your approach is not realistic, it is simply status quo. And your comments comparing teachers to ditch diggers is incredibly condescending. I, too, agree that teaching is one of the most important and (in some cases) one of the more difficult jobs in this country. But even those circumstances do not necessarily warrant a six-figure salary.
It depends on what their job is. Are you implying that engineering is more important than educating the future generations? If you want to make comparisons, do you think a college educated teacher should make no more than a ditch digger or a truck driver with a HS education or GED?I'll ask you straight out, do you believe an individual with a bachelor's degree in engineering should be paid exactly the same (let's control for experience) as an individual with a bachelor's degree in sociology?
If you lower their wages, they will be the same. Nothing stops charitable organizations from helping out now. However, you can't expect, nor would we want, charities and corporations to take over one of the most components of the success of our nation.When did I ever say they should ll be paid the same? THAT is EXACTLY what you said regarding educational backgrounds. And being that you view your own standards as supreme over the standards of the entire world, what (in your kingdom of kingdoms) kind of teaching salary would you dictate? I'm not looking for charity to take on my responsibility, either. All I've said was that charitable organizations have the capability to take on the educational responsibilities of the small minority of people who cannot truly afford an education for their children. And I'm right, just based on observations regarding other essential demands and needs like food, clothing, and shelter.