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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That chart where you got your figures was the Internal Revenue Service was from 2004. That is not the latest data. Let's look at the IRS data from 2006.

    Distribution of Income - Top 1%=21.3%, Next 19%=40.1%, Bottom 80%=38.6%.

    The Bush tax cuts were very, very kind to the wealthy and they certainly did pay off for us, didn't they? Look at all the jobs the Bush tax cuts created.

    Source: http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_589.pdf
    since you tax hikers constantly whine about job creation I have two questions
    can you prove making the rich pay even more of the tax burden wll result in more jobs

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    why do the rich have a duty to pay more than what they use and more of their share of the income tax than their share of the income even if it does "help society"?

    we could spay and neuter the poorest 10% and that would clearly help society in terms of less welfare and less crime but that would be "unfair"

    so is making a small group pay more and more taxes so the shirkers and slackers don't have to



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Bush tax cuts went into effect during the 2001 recession that he inherited and then had 9/11. Prior to 2008 his economy created over 8.5 million jobs according to bls. If you have a problem with those numbers then take it up with the bureau of labor statistics. The rich AFTER the Bush tax cuts are paying a higher percentage of the taxes than they were before and 47% of the income earners don't pay any Federal Income taxes at all. If you don't want your Bush tax cut send it back and let the govt. waste if for you.

    Employment numbers by month

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
    2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
    2006 143142 143444 143765 143794 144108 144370 144229 144631 144797 145292 145477 145914
    2007 146032 146043 146368 145686 145952 146079 145926 145685 146193 145885 146483 146173
    2008 146421 146165 146173 146306 146023 145768 145515 145187 145021 144677 143907 143188
    2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
    2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206
    2011 139323
    There was no recession in the United States until 2002. Furthermore, you provide no evidence to support the notion that the tax cuts lead to an increase in the percentage the rich were paying. In fact, that is a ludicrous and unfounded statement to make. Last, the employment numbers you posted are meaningless without the labeling to indicate what the numbers mean.

    I would say this is the trashiest post I have ever seen you make.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    There was no recession in the United States until 2002. Furthermore, you provide no evidence to support the notion that the tax cuts lead to an increase in the percentage the rich were paying. In fact, that is a ludicrous and unfounded statement to make. Last, the employment numbers you posted are meaningless without the labeling to indicate what the numbers mean.

    I would say this is the trashiest post I have ever seen you make.
    Never question my data, NBER says differently

    Last Four Recessions and their Durations
    12/07 - 6/09 18 months
    3/01 - 11/01 8 months
    7/90 - 3/91 8 months
    7/81 - 11/82 16 months


    Since you don't buy that information why would you buy IRS information? Actually the trashiest post ever made here comes from liberals who continue to post opinions as fact.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    There was no recession in the United States until 2002. Furthermore, you provide no evidence to support the notion that the tax cuts lead to an increase in the percentage the rich were paying. In fact, that is a ludicrous and unfounded statement to make. Last, the employment numbers you posted are meaningless without the labeling to indicate what the numbers mean.

    I would say this is the trashiest post I have ever seen you make.
    I would have fully expected that you know what employment means. In January 2001 there were 137.7 million people working in the country, in January 2008 that was 146.4 million that is an 8.7 million job increase.

    Now as for the tax liability, read it and weep.

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    The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

    Each year from 2005 to 2007, the top 1 percent's constantly growing share of income earned and taxes paid set a record.
    Another indicator of this reversal in the income and tax shares of the top 1 percent is that during 2007, the top 1 percent had actually paid more in federal income tax than the bottom 95 percent, a comparison that was much remarked on a year ago

    Although the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts were across the board (even though certain provisions within those cuts were targeted at various income ranges), the federal individual income tax remains highly progressive. The average tax rate in 2008 ranged from around 2.6 percent of income for the bottom half of tax returns to 23.27 percent for the top 1 percent. For the top 1 percent (as well as the top 0.1 percent), their average income tax rate actually increased from 2007 to 2008, despite shrunken income

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    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Yes, but if you read the rest of the study, it cannot attribute those gains to the class-size mandate. Many other factors were in play. In part, the report notes:

    Student achievement in Florida was increasing during the years both prior to and following the introduction of CSR in 2004. The National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) scores of students in fourth grade increased dramatically over the last decade, with Florida surpassing the national average in reading in 2003 and in math in 2005. Between 1996 and 2009, fourth-grade math scores increased by 0.84 standard deviations, while fourth-grade reading scores increased by 0.39 standard deviations between 1998 and 2009. Over the same time periods, the NAEP scores of eighth-grade students in math and reading increased by 0.39 and 0.26 standard deviations, respectively. Scores on Florida’s Comprehensive Assessment Test (FCAT) posted similarly large increases over this period.11

    ]A nave approach to estimating the effect of CSR would be to examine whether the rate of increase in student achievement accelerated following the introduction of CSR, but this method would be misleading because CSR was not the only major new policy in Florida’s school system during this time period. First, the A-Plus Accountability and School Choice Program began assigning letter grades (and related consequences) to schools in 1999, and the formula used to calculate school grades changed substantially in 2002 to take into account student testscore gains in addition to levels. Second, several choice programs were introduced: a growing number of charter schools, the Opportunity Scholarships Program (which ended in 2006), the McKay Scholarships for Students with Disabilities Program, and the Corporate Tax Credit Scholarship Program. Finally, beginning in 2002 the “Just Read, Florida!” program provided funding for reading coaches, diagnostic assessments for districts, and training for educators and parents.
    So rather than saying that the class size reduction did not work - it indeed may have worked. They just cannot pin it down for sure.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    we could spay and neuter the poorest 10% and that would clearly help society in terms of less welfare and less crime but that would be "unfair"
    Those terms are used for animals - NOT for human beings.

    I believe your usage was intentional and deliberately inflammatory and the worst sort of trolling. This is beyond the pale even for you.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    Those terms are used for animals - NOT for human beings.

    I believe your usage was intentional and deliberately inflammatory and the worst sort of trolling. This is beyond the pale even for you.

    sarcasm-look it up
    and the hysterical taking offense nonsense is getting old



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Those terms are used for animals - NOT for human beings.

    I believe your usage was intentional and deliberately inflammatory and the worst sort of trolling. This is beyond the pale even for you.
    The real crime and worst sort of activity is liberalism wasting all the money they have spent in the name of compassion but never generating compassionate results. Keeping people dependent is what liberal politicians do and call that compassion. then the arrogance comes out when one group of liberals claims another group didn't spend ENOUGH. The distortion of the bill in Wisconsin is staggering and dishonest liberals will never set the record straight.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sarcasm-look it up
    and the hysterical taking offense nonsense is getting old
    That was the worst sort of racist comment and far over the line. Even for the likes of you.

    I do take offense and I see that others do also. This is the worst sort of trolling and baiting.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That was the worst sort of racist comment and far over the line. Even for the likes of you.

    I do take offense and I see that others do also. This is the worst sort of trolling and baiting.
    Ok, I'll bite, what is racist in Turtle's comment?

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