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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How about that civility Obama was talking about?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu839yIS83w
    I'm sure we'll see the same outcry for civility that we did during the town halls last year, right ???

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    And it ratchets up yet again...

    Breaking: Wisconsin Dems throw their weight behind drive to recall GOP Senators
    By Greg Sargent

    The Wisconsin Democratic Party has decided to throw its weight behind a nascent grassroots drive to recall a number of GOP state senators, a move that will considerably increase the pressure on them to break with Governor Scott Walker, the Dem party chair confirms to me. "The proposals and the policies that Republicans are pushing right now are not what they campaigned on, and they're extreme," the party chair, Mike Tate, said in an interview. "Something needs to be done about it now. We're happy to stand with citizens who are filling papers to recall these senators."

    Previously, Wisconsin Dems had not publicly supported talk about recalling GOP Senators, in hopes of privately reaching a negotiated solution to the crisis. The Wisconsin Democratic Party's decision to support the recall drives represents a significant ratcheting up of hostilities and in essence signals that all bets are off.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plu...ems_throw.html

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I'm sure we'll see the same outcry for civility that we did during the town halls last year, right ???
    No question about it, I am sure that the party of civility will react swiftly and quickly to the video.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You seem to be confusing the socio-economic obstacles to learning with teacher's abilities.
    That can be an issue. However, there are statistical methods that can be employed to better measure student learning e.g., standardizing overall changes in learning while controlling for socioeconomic variables.

    While trucking is an honorable profession but it does not require a college education. What do you think would be a fair compensation package for someone with 4 to 8 years of college?
    I don't believe one can pin down a "fair" level of compensation, because the marketplace is not static and it does not place equal weight on all skills. In general, both wages and job security (as measured by unemployment rates and volatility in those rates e.g., in January 2011 those with only a high school diploma had an unemployment rate of 9.4%, while those with a Bachelor's degree or higher had an unemployment rate of 4.2%) are better for college-educated workers. However, the exact wages depend on the value the market places on given backgrounds/degrees, and that value can fluctuate and shift over time. High demand (relative to supply) skills i.e., engineering or accounting command higher wages than lower-demand skills e.g., humanities in which one has more limited opportunities. Of course, that picture can change if, let's say higher wages attract a much larger number of students to major in a given field and, over time, that development leads to a much higher supply of workers relative to demand in that profession. The global dimension e.g., from outsourcing labor tasks, is another issue that needs to be considered.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And it ratchets up yet again...
    This development is not surprising. For all intents and purposes, the two sides are engaged in a scorched earth/take-no-prisoners battle. Rather than working to find mutually agreeable approaches to substantively address fiscal issues, each is trying to exert increasing leverage to break the other. The battle could intensify further before elements from each party, perhaps out of exhaustion aided growing recognition that a long-running political stalemate is not beneficial to Wisconsin's residents, begin to work toward a compromise that ends the impasse and allows for a resumption of governance.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Ed Schultz was live at the protests one day, but the others largely ignore the dangerous precedent set by this "debate". These same networks played the phony tea party all day, but are real protests too "scary" for big business media conglomerates?

    CNN, FoxNews & MSNBC Ignore 100,000 Protesters

    "All three cable networks share something else in common besides their decision to ignore todayís rallies. CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News along with most other forms of media have decided that liberalprotests arenít newsworthy. They believe that the ratings and the money are in the right, not the left. The three cable networks are corporate owned and only for the purpose of profit. They donít care about journalism or their obligation to inform the public.

    "This is all about dollars, and the outdated notion that the most profitable way to run a cable news outlet is to be like Fox News, which is why CNN keeps hiring more and more right wingers and has hopped into bed with the Tea Party Express."

    Conspiracy Planet - Media Liars - CNN, FoxNews & MSNBC Ignore 100,000 Protesters
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    And Ed Schultz did a great job the week he was there. Kudo's to him. He had the real inside story that has not been told on most networks or cable outlets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That is terrific news. I look forward to the recall elections of those GOP Senators who stood against the working people of Wisconsin.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    That can be an issue. However, there are statistical methods that can be employed to better measure student learning e.g., standardizing overall changes in learning while controlling for socioeconomic variables.
    OK.

    I don't believe one can pin down a "fair" level of compensation, because the marketplace is not static and it does not place equal weight on all skills. In general, both wages and job security (as measured by unemployment rates and volatility in those rates e.g., in January 2011 those with only a high school diploma had an unemployment rate of 9.4%, while those with a Bachelor's degree or higher had an unemployment rate of 4.2%) are better for college-educated workers. However, the exact wages depend on the value the market places on given backgrounds/degrees, and that value can fluctuate and shift over time. High demand (relative to supply) skills i.e., engineering or accounting command higher wages than lower-demand skills e.g., humanities in which one has more limited opportunities. Of course, that picture can change if, let's say higher wages attract a much larger number of students to major in a given field and, over time, that development leads to a much higher supply of workers relative to demand in that profession. The global dimension e.g., from outsourcing labor tasks, is another issue that needs to be considered
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    Not sure I understand your point here. Private sector pay with equivalent education is already at or above that of teachers. How low do you think it is possible to drive teachers compensation for their services and still attract quality people into the profession?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    i'm a california public school teacher

    i work 181 days a year, 6 hour days, tenured, no commute...

    i make about 75K, never an hour of overtime from me (anymore, tho i made tens of K's there over the course of my career)

    my strs is promised at something on the order of between 4 and 4.5 per month, i expect about half that (i have been preparing for 20 years for my plump pension to go pop)

    i recommend teaching public school to anyone who will listen to me, if i could do it again i'd do pe---what a life, my opinion

    i can't tell you how many of my friends are very, very well set, even after what CA is gonna go thru

    of course, i could also testify to quite a few young teachers who are, for example, in extremely upside-down mortgages

    and with all the cuts we see coming...

    maybe math WAS a smarter career choice for me, after all

    anyway, make of all that what you will

    stay up

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