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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    the difference between fascism and freedom---great campaign slogan you have, there

    for people's park

    LOL!

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Catawba;1059321491]Yeah, I more interested in the middle class keeping more of what they've earned. More and more of us are going under the poverty line. i don't see that happening with the wealthy. They are still getting more wealthy at our expense. Apparently you don't see a problem with that. We will see in 2012 whether the voters have a problem with that.
    Maybe if you spent more time reading what is posted in response to you and less time just posting you wouldn't look so foolish. Define Middle Class?

    The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all taxes.
    The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all taxes.
    The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all taxes.

    The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all taxes.

    Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.


    I'm no expert and neither are you, but I damn sure know that claiming that our college educated middle class should be paid less than $75,000 a year (which includes their benefits) is a load of crap.

    Is your proposal that our middle class should be paid third world wages? What do you think a college educated middle class should make?

    I don't set wages, the market does. What makes you an expert on what is appropriate for anyone? You really use emotional rhetoric but not much thought in your posts. You think our middle class makes third world wages? I swear you are doing this for attention because our middle class would be rich in third world countries. This really has to be a joke.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Back to your strawman again. I made no claims about any other than the top ten funders. My point was about what changed in the 2010 election that now has all of the top ten big money donors on the side of the GOP. Corporate America has found that is no longer business as usual in their dealings with this administration.
    Stop claiming straw man when there isn't any. You specifically made the claim, after failing to read the source carefully, that the top ten donors according to my stat were spending more in favor of the republicans. I have demonstrated otherwise, and then you simply revert back to your single year claim.

    Tell me why all the big drug companies were on board with Obama's health care bill. Tell me why Walmart is on board with Mrs. Obama's "Let's Move" campaign? Tell me why GE heavily supports Obama's energy plan. Tell me why AT&T heavily support the administration's plan to ensure "net neutrality." It's business as usual. A regulatory technocrat, regardless of party affiliation, will likely offer any corporate body the strings to the purse. Subsidies? Tariffs? Tax treatment? Mandates? They all benefit the massive corporation at the expense of the taxpayer and the smaller business. Who do you think is rewarded with all those subsidies to produce alternative fuels? OIL COMPANIES (and of course GE)!!! Your political savior is no different than the last one. Business as usual will aways be business as usual until we break down the relationship between government and business. And the only way to truly do that is to stop government interventionism.

    See regulatory capture:

    Regulatory capture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for your opinion.

    "According to a new study from the National Education Association, a teachers union, half of new U.S. teachers are likely to quit within the first five years because of poor working conditions and low salaries."
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/08/AR2006050801344.html
    I don't doubt the poor working conditions. I also don't doubt that they wish to be paid more. But for what they currently do (offer a below par education), their salaries are high enough. Teachers in private schools are generally paid far less than those in public schools, and they manage to produce greater results each and every time. The first five years of an occupation is quite a long window. And if you really want to look at an occupation that is underpaid, just refer to trucking. I've read of a massive truckers shortage that will force employers to raise wages and benefits.

    There's still a serious supply of applicants for every single open teaching job. Everyone always wishes to paid more for what they do, even those greedy CEOs! The yearning for a higher pay has no real bearing on the adequacy of real wages. Again, it all goes back to simple economics.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'm no expert
    that's why you should LINK, silly

    For the first time since Democratic lawmakers walked out of the House and drove to Illinois, their leader on Tuesday began to give some indication there might be -- maybe, possibly -- some progress toward ending the now 10-day Statehouse stalemate.

    "I think maybe time has healed some things," said Minority Leader B. Patrick Bauer, D-South Bend, in a conference call with reporters Tuesday afternoon.

    Bauer was especially complimentary of an amendment offered by Republicans to the bill that would provide parents with tuition help to allow their children to attend private schools.
    Indiana Democrats hint at progress in deadlock | The Indianapolis Star | indystar.com

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    I don't doubt the poor working conditions. I also don't doubt that they wish to be paid more. But for what they currently do (offer a below par education), their salaries are high enough. Teachers in private schools are generally paid far less than those in public schools, and they manage to produce greater results each and every time. The first five years of an occupation is quite a long window. And if you really want to look at an occupation that is underpaid, just refer to trucking. I've read of a massive truckers shortage that will force employers to raise wages and benefits.

    There's still a serious supply of applicants for every single open teaching job. Everyone always wishes to paid more for what they do, even those greedy CEOs! The yearning for a higher pay has no real bearing on the adequacy of real wages. Again, it all goes back to simple economics.
    You seem to be confusing the socio-economic obstacles to learning with teacher's abilities. The only reason private schools have higher test scores is because they have a select student population and small student to teacher ratio. You put every student in a charter schools and add in corporate profit, your test scores would be the same or lower because you are going to attract less qualified teachers, and the cost would still be higher.

    While trucking is an honorable profession but it does not require a college education. What do you think would be a fair compensation package for someone with 4 to 8 years of college?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Then obviously your employer isn't that smart if he/she believes your posts are coherent and full of facts. You don't seem to even know what the dispute is all about in Wisconsin. Hint: wages aren't an issue
    whatever..... do you need to see Kevin Meaney again?
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    a fair compensation package?

    LOL!

    for 8 years of poetry and ethnic studies?

    there are no guarantees in life, lenin

    get out and make something of yourself

    grow up

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    whatever..... do you need to see Kevin Meaney again?
    Do you need to read the Wisconsin Governors statement again?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    whatever..... do you need to see Kevin Meaney again?
    How about that civility Obama was talking about?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu839yIS83w

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