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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This has nothing to do with corporate control of America. It has to do with whether or not taxpayers are going to continue to be controlled by public-sector unions.
    So they don't have to pay teachers the those fantastic salaries of $51,000 a year so they can lord their 93 Chevy over us! Let's give more tax cuts to the wealthy instead!

    Great campaign platform you have there!
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So they don't have to pay teachers the those fantastic salaries of $51,000 a year so they can lord their 93 Chevy over us! Let's give more tax cuts to the wealthy instead!

    Great campaign platform you have there!
    Tax cuts to the wealthy means the individual keeps MORE OF WHAT THEY EARNED! You seem to think you are an expert on what to pay someone else that isn't employed by you. What the teachers are paid is subject to what the Board of Education in their district decides and what the taxpayer is willing to fund.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What corporate control?
    The corporate control that enables a corporation to fund the campaign of the person to bust the unions, removing the last line of defense against them, and balancing the tax cuts to the wealthy by taking away from the middle class.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    yup

    it's about TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS of public TRUST---betrayed

    outta luck---the employers, the employees, the taxpayers, the consumers, their families, their future unborn...

    the buyers and sellers of MUNICIPAL BONDS

    outta luck are ALL AMERICANS

    not the good half, not the evil half, not the angels, not the haters, but ALL AMERICANS

    TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION dollars---deal with THAT

    spin, anyone?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The corporate control that enables a corporation to fund the campaign of the person to bust the unions, removing the last line of defense against them, and balancing the tax cuts to the wealthy by taking away from the middle class.
    How much corporate control was exerted in Wisconsin in the November 2, 2010 elections? I am still waiting for a response from you as to what the "fair" taxes should be those evil rich people?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I could be, but I reread it again and get the same results:

    '1 ActBlue
    2 AT&T Inc
    3 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees
    4 National Assn of Realtors
    5 Goldman Sachs
    6 American Assn for Justice
    7 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
    8 National Education Assn
    9 Laborers Union
    10 Teamsters Union'

    Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2010 | OpenSecrets

    According to your site, of top ten donors, only 1 corporate donor gave more to Democrats than Republicans during the last 20 years.
    Are you trying to test my patience? REREAD AGAIN, and this time (forgive me), wear your glasses and view the ENTIRE chart. You see that little legend at the top? There's a symbol that represents a "on the fence" which means the company contributes about evenly to both parties (though to be fair, AT&T does contribute about 55% to Reps and 45% to Dems and Nat. Assn of Realtors contributes about 51% to Reps and 49% to Dems). There's a symbol of a donkey that represents the democrat party, and finally there's a symbol of an elephant that represents republicans. NOW, take an even closer look. Look at the column that is labeled "tilt." Do you see all the donkeys? Do you see even a single elephant in that column for the top ten? In fact, you don't see your first elephant until you get down to #18. So, the top 17 groups, with the exception of four who are considered "on the fence", have consistently spend more (WAY MORE) in favor of the democrat party as opposed to the republican party.

    FAILURE.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Tax cuts to the wealthy means the individual keeps MORE OF WHAT THEY EARNED!
    Yeah, I more interested in the middle class keeping more of what they've earned. More and more of us are going under the poverty line. i don't see that happening with the wealthy. They are still getting more wealthy at our expense. Apparently you don't see a problem with that. We will see in 2012 whether the voters have a problem with that.

    You seem to think you are an expert on what to pay someone else that isn't employed by you. What the teachers are paid is subject to what the Board of Education in their district decides and what the taxpayer is willing to fund.
    I'm no expert and neither are you, but I damn sure know that claiming that our college educated middle class should be paid less than $75,000 a year (which includes their benefits) is a load of crap.

    Is your proposal that our middle class should be paid third world wages? What do you think a college educated middle class should make?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So they don't have to pay teachers the those fantastic salaries of $51,000 a year so they can lord their 93 Chevy over us! Let's give more tax cuts to the wealthy instead!

    Great campaign platform you have there!
    Teachers are paid handsomely. The best way to determine whether or not the salary of the position offered is adequate enough (and instead of salary, we should say salary and benefits),take a look at the supply and demand. It all goes back to simple economics. Everyone wants to be a teacher. For every single open teaching position in this country, a school will determine the eligibility of roughly 30 candidates or more. If the benefits and salary did not outweigh the costs, there would be a shortage of teachers because there would be a shortage of applicants.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Are you trying to test my patience? REREAD AGAIN, and this time (forgive me), wear your glasses and view the ENTIRE chart. .
    Back to your strawman again. I made no claims about any other than the top ten funders. My point was about what changed in the 2010 election that now has all of the top ten big money donors on the side of the GOP. Corporate America has found that is no longer business as usual in their dealings with this administration.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Teachers are paid handsomely. The best way to determine whether or not the salary of the position offered is adequate enough (and instead of salary, we should say salary and benefits),take a look at the supply and demand. It all goes back to simple economics. Everyone wants to be a teacher. For every single open teaching position in this country, a school will determine the eligibility of roughly 30 candidates or more. If the benefits and salary did not outweigh the costs, there would be a shortage of teachers because there would be a shortage of applicants.
    Thanks for your opinion.

    "According to a new study from the National Education Association, a teachers union, half of new U.S. teachers are likely to quit within the first five years because of poor working conditions and low salaries."
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/08/AR2006050801344.html
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