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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What are natural rights? Which amendment are they listed in? My copy of the Constitution is old and tattered and worn for all my use with it over the years doing research.
    well if you did the research properly you would know the premises upon which the founders were basing their creation upon

    I sort of doubt teachers belonging to dem supporting unions would want to teach that to children



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well if you did the research properly you would know the premises upon which the founders were basing their creation upon

    I sort of doubt teachers belonging to dem supporting unions would want to teach that to children
    was there an answer and a definition in there somewhere?

    nope.

    and before this goes any further - this topic should NOT be allowed to hijack this thread. Start another thread on the topic and I will participate in it tomorrow.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    was there an answer and a definition in there somewhere?

    nope.
    so you think a proper understanding of the constitution is devoid of parole evidence?



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Wisconsin voters express buyers remorse

    "(Reuters) - Wisconsin voters would narrowly favor Governor Scott Walker's Democratic opponent if the November, 2010 election were repeated, according to partial poll results released on Monday.

    Walker has stirred national debate and the largest demonstrations in Wisconsin since the Vietnam War with his proposal to strip public sector unions of most collective bargaining rights.

    Walker won the November 2, 2010 election 52 to 46 percent for Democrat Tom Barrett, with the remainder of the vote to minor candidates.

    Public Policy Polling of Raleigh, North Carolina said a new poll showed if the election were replayed now, the result would be almost exactly flipped, with Democrat Tom Barrett getting 52 percent and Walker 45 percent, with four percent not sure.

    The shift in voter sentiment away from Walker was attributed to households with at least one union member, the polling group said. More details of the poll will be released on Tuesday.

    The poll surveyed 768 Wisconsin voters from February 24 to 27. Those surveyed were also asked how they voted in the November election and 47 percent said for Walker and 47 percent for Barrett."
    Wisconsin voters would shift to Democrat in new election: poll | Reuters
    ppp is a dem pollster

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The American people in solid opposition to what Walker is trying to do in Wisconsin

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/us/01poll.html?_r=1
    Essentially, the way CBS and the Times got the survey to produce the result was to over-sample union and public employee households. Only seven percent of the private sector workforce is unionized, but among the 984 people interviewed for the survey, 20 percent identified themselves and/or somebody in their household as union members.

    Similarly, government employees approximately 10 percent of the national workforce, yet the survey respondents include an unrealistically high proportion of public employees, at 25 percent of the total.
    CBS News/New York Times survey oversampled union households | Mark Tapscott | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

    bottom line: how can the american people be in solid support when even ANDREW CUOMO and MOONBEAM BROWN aren't

    the gubs of blue bastions ny and ca are, indeed, about to SLASH

    what's gonna happen to the seiu's and afscme's after public payroll gets CHOPPED

    union dues, campaign contributions, political clout...

    who's gonna counter the kochs
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    ppp is a dem pollster
    Just want to clarify The Prof's comment -- mainly because I personally didn't "get it" until I clicked on Catawba's link and saw who did the poll: Public Policy Polling. So, I thought, who are they? Well, Google them if you'd like to get some other links that say much the same thing, but here's what Wiki says:

    Public Policy Polling (PPP) is an American Democratic Party-affiliated polling firm based in Raleigh, North Carolina.[1][2][3] PPP was founded in 2001 by businessman and Democratic pollster Dean Debnam, the firm's current president and chief executive officer
    It's just scarey that we can't get accurate information. Just really scarey. Combine this with what The Prof posted about the false sampling in the other poll and we all oughta' just puke. I'm telling you, it's frightening.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    ppp is a dem pollster
    All the legitimate polls show that voters do not support ending collective bargaining for public servants. Show me one that doesn't?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    pros know that polls this far out are a waste of time

    ie, knock yourself out, class warrior

    either way, walker has already won a macro political victory---he's got ALL the public employees racing against each other to drastically CUT their own bennies and radically INCREASE their contributions

    and it's certainly not confined to the badgers---it's in new jersey, indiana, ohio, pennsylvania...

    and it's inimically INFECTED such dem stalwarts as ANDREW CUOMO and MOONBEAM BROWN

    bottom line

    seeya at the precincts, patton

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    pros know that polls this far out are a waste of time

    ie, knock yourself out, class warrior

    either way, walker has already won a macro political victory---he's got ALL the public employees racing against each other to drastically CUT their own bennies and radically INCREASE their contributions

    and it's certainly not confined to the badgers---it's in new jersey, indiana, ohio, pennsylvania...

    and it's inimically INFECTED such dem stalwarts as ANDREW CUOMO and MOONBEAM BROWN

    bottom line

    seeya at the precincts, patton

    LOL! It took you a while! But that's alright, I knew you wouldn't find anything to back up your position. Yes, we will indeed see you at the polls. It should be a very interesting election next year - the rich against the middle class!

    Already, Wisconsin has not seen protests this size since the Vietnam War!
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