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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    States cannot print money and must have a balanced budget yet one of the biggest costs to the state is public unions and they don't negotiate with the people that pay their salaries.
    yup, and it's TWO POINT FIVE TRIL of UNFUNDED public TRUST held by just those STATE LEVEL pensions ALONE

    FT.com / US / Economy & Fed - US public pensions face $2,500bn shortfall

    and it's HOW WE GOT HERE---that's the point

    not only do they not negotiate with the people who ultimately pay their salaries, they negotiate instead with the people to whom they contribute hundreds of millions

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How can anyone answer your question with any verifiable degree of accuracy? You are asking somebody to explain why something DID NOT HAPPEN. Its silly and nonsensical and you seem to think you have latched onto a dinosaur bone but you have no point.
    It is silly to a liberal who cannot explain it and who distorts what the issue in Wisconsin is all about. The point is that public unions don't have full collective bargaining rights at the Federal level and that is the way it should be at the state level as well especially since states cannot print money or run a deficit. Seems that all Presidents from Carter on knew the harm Public unions can do at the Federal Level but for some reason you believe it won't hurt the states. that is what would be silly and nonsensical if it weren't so serious and sad.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Rick, I cannot seem to get anyone who supports the Wisconsin unions to explain to me why public unions in the state deserve better collective bargaining rights than the Federal Public Union employees? What exactly has Obama done to give Federal Employees collective bargaining rights when he had a Democrat Congress for two years? States cannot print money and must have a balanced budget yet one of the biggest costs to the state is public unions and they don't negotiate with the people that pay their salaries.
    Perhaps because you are parroting right-wing talking points that are based in falsities. Despite what FauxNews and right-wing radio has been spouting, most federal employees ARE unionized and have collective bargain rights. There were some that Reagan signed their rights to collective bargaining away, but the vast majority still have collective bargaining, so your first premise is completely false.

    Second, you last point is a horribly crafted right-wing talking point that tries to achieve its goal with a play on words.

    Public Unions DO negotiate with the people that pay their salaries. The representatives in congress are there representing the PEOPLE of their districts.


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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lets try this again.

    In the USA we have something called Federalism. As part of that we have three different levels of government - National, State and Local. Each is separate and distinct from each other. We also have a principle of government called Separation of Powers which gives us three different branches, each with its own powers.

    What a State Government does on its level is separate and apart from what the Federal/National government does on its level.

    Are we clear now?
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    Explain to me why public unions in the state deserve better collective bargaining rights than the Federal Public Union employees?
    An answer that says, "Because they can," is useless. Are we clear now?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are asking somebody to explain why something DID NOT HAPPEN. Its silly and nonsensical and you seem to think you have latched onto a dinosaur bone but you have no point.
    that's silly, even embarrassing

    it's pretty clear barack would advance collective bargaining to them in question if he could

    why, he'd put on comfortable shoes and march with em, remember?

    for some reason he apparently feels he can't quite get away with going there right now

    i wonder why

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    It is silly to a liberal who cannot explain it and who distorts what the issue in Wisconsin is all about. The point is that public unions don't have full collective bargaining rights at the Federal level and that is the way it should be at the state level as well especially since states cannot print money or run a deficit. Seems that all Presidents from Carter on knew the harm Public unions can do at the Federal Level but for some reason you believe it won't hurt the states. that is what would be silly and nonsensical if it weren't so serious and sad.
    You really do not understand the difference between levels of government. Either that or the world in which you inhabit is not the same one the rest of us do. Until you accept that states can do one thing and the feds can do another and one does provide or disprove the worth of the other, then you are lost here and will continue to flail in the waters with nobody to save you. Nobody can answer your question. Its silly and nonsensical and there is not logic to it.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Good another liberal, how about answering the question, why don't Federal Public employees have full collective bargaining rights that the public unions of Wisconsin have? My bet is you don't even know what the issures are?
    PolitiFact | The Obameter: Restore collective bargaining rights to federal employees - Obama promise No. 499:

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    In a letter sent during the campaign to American Federation of Government Employees president John Gage, Barack Obama declared: "I support collective bargaining rights for all workers. As president, I will review decisions by the Bush administration that have denied these rights to federal employees and seek to restore them."

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    that's silly, even embarrassing

    it's pretty clear barack would advance collective bargaining to them in question if he could

    why, he'd put on comfortable shoes and march with em, remember?

    for some reason he apparently feels he can't quite get away with going there right now

    i wonder why
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Perhaps because you are parroting right-wing talking points that are based in falsities. Despite what FauxNews and right-wing radio has been spouting, most federal employees ARE unionized and have collective bargain rights. There were some that Reagan signed their rights to collective bargaining away, but the vast majority still have collective bargaining, so your first premise is completely false.

    Second, you last point is a horribly crafted right-wing talking point that tries to achieve its goal with a play on words.

    Public Unions DO negotiate with the people that pay their salaries. The representatives in congress are there representing the PEOPLE of their districts.


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    I suggest you do some better research but just like with other issues you really don't have a clue. Federal Public Union employees have reduced collective bargaining rights

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Explain to me why public unions in the state deserve better collective bargaining rights than the Federal Public Union employees?
    I have no idea. Do you have access to the floor debates held at that time which led to the passage of the laws? That could answer your question for you. Or not. I suspect not.
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