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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Rick,
    I cannot seem to get anyone who supports the Wisconsin unions to explain to me why public unions in the state deserve better collective bargaining rights than the Federal Public Union employees?
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    Lets try this again.

    In the USA we have something called Federalism. As part of that we have three different levels of government - National, State and Local. Each is separate and distinct from each other. We also have a principle of government called Separation of Powers which gives us three different branches, each with its own powers.

    What a State Government does on its level is separate and apart from what the Federal/National government does on its level.

    Are we clear now?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Lets try this again.

    In the USA we have something called Federalism. As part of that we have three different levels of government - National, State and Local. Each is separate and distinct from each other. We also have a principle of government called Separation of Powers which gives us three different branches, each with its own powers.

    What a State Government does on its level is separate and apart from what the Federal/National government does on its level.

    Are we clear now?
    That never was the issue no matter how many times you say it. What prevented Obama from proposing collective bargaining rights for Federal Public Unions? If collective bargaining is good for state public employees that cannot print money or run a debt, why isn't it good for Federal Public Union employees when the Federal Govt. can print money and run debt?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This type of rabid right wing attack on working people is an ugly but sadly necessary part of the cycle that will renew the American labor movement and cause them to emerge more powerful than ever. It is a sad commentary on human nature that each generation forgets the sturggles and sacrifices of those who helped make their life what it is today.
    I think those on the right are going to learn a lesson, you should never wake up a sleeping giant. 2012 is right around the corner
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    gao, govt accountability office, congressional audit of authority, yesterday, march 11: a full HALF TRILLION dollars of WASTE and DUPLICATION of bureaucratic arrogance, largesse, incompetence, corruption...

    All told, the GAO targeted as much as $510 billion on 583 potentially duplicative, wasteful programs overseen by roughly 182 government agencies and offices, stretching across the federal government, from the Department of Defense to Transportation to Health & Human Services. The GAO found that some of the duplication dates back to 2002, but most came in fiscal years 2009 to 2010 and going forward.

    The GAO found as much as $200 billion in duplicative spending going out the door over the next decade on 2,100 data centers alone. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) requested the report, and has said “it makes us all look like jackasses.”

    The GAO’s list dovetails with work already done on this waste by the Congressional Budget Office (see below).

    For instance, the U.S. has 15 different agencies overseeing food-safety laws, 25 separate programs on health information systems, and 80 programs for economic development. The GAO says there are potentially 35 duplicative programs on infrastructure. And it questions the $58 billion spent annually on 100 surface transportation projects. Health and transportation programs matter greatly here, since the fear is health reform may add to this duplication, and the White House has spent hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars on stimulus funds for transportation projects to create jobs.

    The sought after cap and trade system which would set up a carbon credit marketplace to cut global warming would cost up to $200 billion a year, the US Treasury says, or $1,800 per American household.

    The GAO says just five of 47 job training and employment programs had been evaluated for efficiencies. “Little is known about the effectiveness of most programs,” the GAO said in its report. The government also spent $62.5 billion on 18 food assistance programs, but “little is known about the effectiveness of [11 of the 18 programs] because they have not been well studied,” the GAO said.
    that's g-a-o, gentlepeople

    a HALF A TRILLION---pfft

    reported YESTERDAY, march 1

    sure, let's givem even MORE of our NEIGHBORS' money---for reasons somehow having to do with dear ronnie ray-gun

    Gov't Watchdog IDs Billions In Federal Waste - Politics News Story - WSMV Nashville

    GAO Finds Massive Waste, Duplication - FoxBusiness.com

    and don't forget what we're facing, folks---a housing market which popped and brought us here and is still no basement in sight, the states are facing TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION of unfunded public pensions, the states are straining with another QUARTER TRIL via medicaid's expansion, unfunded liabilities in medicare and social security approach the combined gdp of the entire planet, service on the debt---mere INTEREST ALONE---will approach a full ONE TRILLION DOLLARS a year by just after mid decade (according to the nyt), fannie and fred could cost another HALF T...

    and you want to debate?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    I think those on the right are going to learn a lesson, you should never wake up a sleeping giant. 2012 is right around the corner
    Good another liberal, how about answering the question, why don't Federal Public employees have full collective bargaining rights that the public unions of Wisconsin have? My bet is you don't even know what the issures are?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Rick, I cannot seem to get anyone who supports the Wisconsin unions to explain to me why public unions in the state deserve better collective bargaining rights than the Federal Public Union employees? What exactly has Obama done to give Federal Employees collective bargaining rights when he had a Democrat Congress for two years? States cannot print money and must have a balanced budget yet one of the biggest costs to the state is public unions and they don't negotiate with the people that pay their salaries.
    Is there a reason that you have to divert every thread on DP to one about Obama?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That never was the issue no matter how many times you say it. What prevented Obama from proposing collective bargaining rights for Federal Public Unions? If collective bargaining is good for state public employees that cannot print money or run a debt, why isn't it good for Federal Public Union employees when the Federal Govt. can print money and run debt?
    How can anyone answer your question with any verifiable degree of accuracy? You are asking somebody to explain why something DID NOT HAPPEN. Its silly and nonsensical and you seem to think you have latched onto a dinosaur bone but you have no point.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Is there a reason that you have to divert every thread on DP to one about Obama?
    Obsession. And a rather unhealthy one at that.

    And now sit back and watch how many times he complained that his question is not being answered.

    Asked - answered - more times than I care to count. But its not the answer he has in his mind so he keeps on asking like a child who nags you to death until they get their cookie.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    gao, govt accountability office, congressional audit of authority, yesterday, march 11: a full HALF TRILLION dollars of WASTE and DUPLICATION of bureaucratic arrogance, largesse, incompetence, corruption...



    that's g-a-o, gentlepeople

    a HALF A TRILLION---pfft

    reported YESTERDAY, march 1

    sure, let's givem even MORE of our NEIGHBORS' money---for reasons somehow having to do with dear ronnie ray-gun

    Gov't Watchdog IDs Billions In Federal Waste - Politics News Story - WSMV Nashville

    GAO Finds Massive Waste, Duplication - FoxBusiness.com

    and don't forget what we're facing, folks---a housing market which popped and brought us here and is still no basement in sight, the states are facing TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION of unfunded public pensions, the states are straining with another QUARTER TRIL via medicaid's expansion, unfunded liabilities in medicare and social security approach the combined gdp of the entire planet, service on the debt---mere INTEREST ALONE---will approach a full ONE TRILLION DOLLARS a year by just after mid decade (according to the nyt), fannie and fred could cost another HALF T...

    and you want to debate?
    Amazingly after 8 years of a republican administration they awake 2 years into the democratic administration to find all of these wasteful programs

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Is there a reason that you have to divert every thread on DP to one about Obama?
    This thread is about unions and collective bargaining. Obama inserted himself into this debate.

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