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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And on that you disagree with the governor. And it is HIS belief that adding more unionized workers to state paid contracts would be devastating to the long term financial stability of the state. Again...it doesnt at ALL bother me that you disagree, nor do I expect you to change your mind. It IS however HIS job to govern the state. When you are in that capacity YOU will have to have a better way of ensuring your state doesnt encounter massive cost overruns.
    you miss the whole point...this isnt about adding more unionized workers, this is about stripping them of rights....i don't expect you to change your mind either. the unions are not the problem here.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you miss the whole point...this isnt about adding more unionized workers, this is about stripping them of rights....i don't expect you to change your mind either. the unions are not the problem here.
    Stripping them of their collective bargaining agreement? They arent stripping them of their rights, they are choosing to not extend the collective bargaining contract that runs out. Yes...the Unions ARE the problem. The unions bused in outraged protestors from across the country. And you have continued to skirt the reality...pay, services, or jobs. SOMETHING is going to be cut in Wisconsin to balance the budget. They are trying to do the work the taxpayers sent them to do. If the democrat reps have better ideas, they would be better served offering them in legislature as opposed to stewing in the hot tub at the holiday inn

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you miss the whole point...this isnt about adding more unionized workers, this is about stripping them of rights....i don't expect you to change your mind either. the unions are not the problem here.
    It's actually more than that, it's about stripping the Democratic Party of a major support group. This is just the beginning. I don't know if this has been mentioned, but Gov. Walker go major from the Koch Bros. The Republicans are trying to get one party rule..


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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Stripping them of their collective bargaining agreement? They arent stripping them of their rights, they are choosing to not extend the collective bargaining contract that runs out. Yes...the Unions ARE the problem. The unions bused in outraged protestors from across the country. And you have continued to skirt the reality...pay, services, or jobs. SOMETHING is going to be cut in Wisconsin to balance the budget. They are trying to do the work the taxpayers sent them to do. If the democrat reps have better ideas, they would be better served offering them in legislature as opposed to stewing in the hot tub at the holiday inn
    sounds like the dems were not going to have chance to do much, as it was going to be forced down their throats....they did what was necessary to shed light on this load of crap the governor is trying to push through...apparently, you want to ignore everything i've said about the unions being willing to pick up more of the costs for their pensions, and healthcare...that doesnt matter to this governor, he wants the unions out of the picture, and he wants to dictate terms to them, instead of working with them.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It's actually more than that, it's about stripping the Democratic Party of a major support group. This is just the beginning. I don't know if this has been mentioned, but Gov. Walker go major from the Koch Bros. The Republicans are trying to get one party rule..
    good point, and a valid one...

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    The assault on workers continues. Quote from the article:



    So you have to attack workers to make sure you get enough money? What about reforming the state's 7.9% flat tax on corporations?

    Also what is this:

    about?

    The threat of the NG is nothing but trying to use force to break the backs of the workers and make sure that they won't protest.

    While unions will have to take some (economic) pain as well, there is absolutely no need to threaten the use of the National Guard.
    This entire argument is unbelieveable. All public employees are paid by taxpayers not by the purchases from a private company. The people of Wisconsin will be paying for these public employees like they always have and the state just like the country is broke? Why in the hell would you jack up the prices of private sector goods to fund public employee pensions and retirement. Some people here don't have an ounce of sense.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Here is the official report from the State of Wisconsin Fiscal Bureau. Read it and you can see how the new Governor helped manufacture this so called crisis just to be able to attempt to do what he is now doing.

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/...os&Darling.pdf


    2010-11
    Revenues

    Opening Balance, July 1 $25,718,100
    Taxes 12,691,400,000
    Departmental Revenues
    Tribal Gaming 22,330,300
    Other 833,733,300
    Total Available $13,573,181,700

    Appropriations

    Gross Appropriations $14,109,283,800
    Compensation Reserves 95,962,700
    Biennial Appropriation Adjustment -242,677,200
    Sum Sufficient Reestimates -121,637,800
    Less Lapses -389,112,600
    Net Appropriations $13,451,818,900

    Balances

    Gross Balance $121,362,800
    Less Required Statutory Balance -65,000,000
    Net Balance, June 30 $56,362,800
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    good point, and a valid one...
    This is about fiscal responsibility and what the taxpayers should pay. Union membership in this country is about 11% and they have outlived their usefulness. Public employee unions get all their benefits from the taxpayer and asking them to contribute to their pension and healthcare isn't out of line nor is it union busting. Doubt seriously that the taxpayers of Wisconsin will support the union demands but if they do, so be it, they pay for the mess they are creating.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It's actually more than that, it's about stripping the Democratic Party of a major support group. This is just the beginning. I don't know if this has been mentioned, but Gov. Walker go major from the Koch Bros. The Republicans are trying to get one party rule..
    Yes - this is just the beginning. The GOP is facing demographics that spell DOOM for a political party of all white people in the next few decades. They must find a strategy that permits them to rule from a minority position in which they disenfranchise those who would vote against them. This is part of it.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This is about fiscal responsibility and what the taxpayers should pay. Union membership in this country is about 11% and they have outlived their usefulness. Public employee unions get all their benefits from the taxpayer and asking them to contribute to their pension and healthcare isn't out of line nor is it union busting. Doubt seriously that the taxpayers of Wisconsin will support the union demands but if they do, so be it, they pay for the mess they are creating.
    apparently, you are one of the many who havent bothered to read through the multiple threads, and hence are commenting without knowing the whole story...the unions won't have a problem with contributing more to their insurance/pension...i know this will shock you, but i agree with the governor on that point....what the problem here is he is wanting to strip the unions of their rights to collective bargain....the governor has stepped way over the line on that one...that is union busting. the governor never attempted to sit down the unions. as for the rest of your post, we all know you are anti union, anti 'liberal'.....so i'm not sure what else you can contribute to this thread.

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