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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Democrats controlled the House the entire Reagan term and that is where the spending bills start.
    The Republican controlled the Senate from 1980-1987 and no spending bills introduced by the House can be passed with out approval by the Senate and the President.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Why do posters try to deflect from the main issue? Disneydude?

    What does corporate welfare have to do with public sector unions? I'd say that's a strawman.
    and its not even the same thing

    corporate welfare depending on how its defined could mean tax breaks as a quid pro quo for say toyota agreeing to build a new plant in your city. and unions loved those bailouts of GM



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    A special interest group represents a special interest group. They do not represent the entire nation.
    Who are talking about?

    First of all, that is false. Look at my statistics again. Massive corporations gave dozens of millions of dollars to BOTH parties, not just the republicans. Second, 94 mil versus 190 mil is also irrelevant, IMHO. It's like comparing the death rates under Hitler and Stalin and claiming Hitler was more benevolent than Stalin because he killed less people. In the end, they're both psychopathic murderers and in the end, both political parties are prostituting themselves to corporate and union interests.
    You consider a 49% difference marginal?

    Usually, the six-figures come after overtime pay is factored into the equation. Teachers and administrators may be the exception. But firefighters, police, and garbage men are making around 75K a year before overtime and after overtime kicks in, they're well into the six-figure range. Source = 60 Minute
    So you do not believe in paying people for overtime worked? Educators (which is the subject in Wisconsin) make on average $75,000 which includes their benefits. What do you think someone with 4 to 8 years of college should make?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why do you make stuff up? can you find one ONE (1) (Uno) post of mine where I support "willingly hand billions of corporate welfare"

    and I suspect what you define corporate welfare will be rather stupid
    Why else do corporations want to spend millions in our elections? To buy the politicians who will turn around and hand them billions in tax cuts, tax incentives etc.
    I find it rather ironic...and actually downright sad that people like you find no problem with corporations buying our politicians, yet freak out at the idea of a public worker actually having a voice in their employment issues.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    btw what Union do you work for Catawba. I like to have a perspective on what motivates people
    I don't work for a union.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Republican controlled the Senate from 1980-1987 and no spending bills introduced by the House can be passed with out approval by the Senate and the President.
    Uh, yeah, so what? The overwhelming numbers in the House could have prevented spending bills from even getting to the Senate thus any debt Reagan created was supported by the Congress including the overwhelming Democrat House. How did Reagan create that debt by himself with such large Democrat numbers in the House?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Why do posters try to deflect from the main issue? Disneydude?

    What does corporate welfare have to do with public sector unions? I'd say that's a strawman.
    Its not a strawman at all. There is no doubt that the GOP war on public employees is a veiled and orchestrated attempt at taking the focus off their corporate interests and trying to blame the public employee as the source of our economic woes. This was the entire motivation behind "citizen's united" and we are beginning to see phase 2 of that effort.

    What the GOP failed to understand is the will of the people of this great country. I think that they believed that Americans would buy into their idealogy. Fortunately 2/3's of the country are standing with the people of this country against the government attempts to subjugate their voice.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Uh, yeah, so what? The overwhelming numbers in the House could have prevented spending bills from even getting to the Senate thus any debt Reagan created was supported by the Congress including the overwhelming Democrat House. How did Reagan create that debt by himself with such large Democrat numbers in the House?
    First you make endless excuses for GWB....now more excuses for Reagan. What ever happened to "The buck stops here"? You guys won't accept responsibility for anything that you've done.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Who are talking about?
    corporations and unions = special interests.

    You consider a 49% difference marginal?
    You're only reflecting on one statistic that details a single year. I've given you a stat that illustrates two decades worth of lobbying information.

    So you do not believe in paying people for overtime worked?
    No, but I do believe their base pay must be seriously reduced.

    Educators (which is the subject in Wisconsin) make on average $75,000 which includes their benefits. What do you think someone with 4 to 8 years of college should make?
    It all depends on market forces. A degree doesn't automatically entitle you to the rights of a job. And the subject in WI is not exclusively about educators.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    First you make endless excuses for GWB....now more excuses for Reagan. What ever happened to "The buck stops here"? You guys won't accept responsibility for anything that you've done.
    What are you talking about, Reagan added 1.7 trillion to the debt with the help of Congress and Obama has added 3.5 trillion to the debt with the help of Congress.Difference is that Obama had a Democrat controlled Congress, both Houses and Reagan had the Senate. seems like the buck never gets to a Democrat but what does any of that have to do with the thread topic.

    Noticed again your typical hatred for corporations which employ people and pay dividends to shareholders as well as give millions to charities. Public unions on the other hand never negotiate with the people that pay their salaries. any tax cut for business comes off the revenue and profits they make so how does that affect you. Public unions take taxpayer money and spend it on candidates that support union causes which is to keep their members dependent.

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