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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You miss the point that it is the GOP that the largest money donors are supporting today since this administration is stepping on corporate toes. Libertarian positions are two extreme to be a viable party in the forseeable future. Since I do not want a one party system, I am pro union (not only because I support adequate wages for our public servants) but also because the only thing worse than a two party system would be a one party system.

    Libertarian positions are still too extreme to garner anything but a fractional portion of the votes.
    Does a 20-year track record mean anything to you? The difference in numbers is quite marginal. So what if Chevron is shelling out 40 million for the GOP and only 32 million for the democrats? Both parties are still tied to a corporatist structure. And you can support unions all you want. The bottom line is that they do not set the standard for a decent job. They artifically raise the wages of workers by limiting the supply of workers. So, you have unemployed individuals thanks to overpaid union workers.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Does a 20-year track record mean anything to you? The difference in numbers is quite marginal. So what if Chevron is shelling out 40 million for the GOP and only 32 million for the democrats? Both parties are still tied to a corporatist structure. And you can support unions all you want. The bottom line is that they do not set the standard for a decent job. They artifically raise the wages of workers by limiting the supply of workers. So, you have unemployed individuals thanks to overpaid union workers.
    Not since we have a government that is no longer giving in completely to corporate control. You may call 7 out 10 marginal, I see it as an overwhelming majority, and if the GOP is successful in busting unions that leaves all of the big money donors for the GOP. As I said I am not as fond of a one party system as others think they would be.

    No one has shown to me that teachers, firefighters and policeman are overpaid. Unlike others I do not expect our public servants to work for third world wages. You can't balance 3 decades of bad fiscal policies on the backs of our public servants.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yeah we think of Ray-gun every time we the feel the pain from the National debt and the results of peak oil with no alternatives!
    Reagan and Congress added 1.7 trillion to the debt in 8 years, Obama and Congress almost added that much in one year and has almost exceeded Bush's debt in two years.Diversion back to Reagan and Bush is what liberals do when their empty suit is generating the results he has generated.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No one has shown to me that teachers, firefighters and policeman are overpaid.
    FT.com / US / Economy & Fed - US public pensions face $2,500bn shortfall

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not since we have a government that is no longer giving in completely to corporate control. You may call 7 out 10 marginal, I see it as an overwhelming majority, and if the GOP is successful in busting unions that leaves all of the big money donors for the GOP. As I said I am not as fond of a one party system as others think they would be.
    You've said nothing that would indicate you want a change of government that does not cater to massive entities and special interest groups. You're fine with the corporatist structure, I see. And I did not say 7 out of 10 is marginal, I said the difference in funding is quite marginal. Massive corporations that you apparently despise are still giving dozens of millions of dollars to the political party that you support. And as I've argued, republicans may take the cake in 2010, but the past 20 years has seen democrats as the leading political prostitutes.

    We're already living in a one-party system.

    No one has shown to me that teachers, firefighters and policeman are overpaid. Unlike others I do not expect our public servants to work for third world wages. You can't balance 3 decades of bad fiscal policies on the backs of our public servants.
    Then you haven't been paying attention. If you believe six-figure salaries for police, firefighters, garbage men, and school administrators is "adequate," then we'll have to agree to disagree.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Reagan and Congress added 1.7 trillion to the debt in 8 years
    Reagan and the Republican congress increased the National debt more than all the presidents before him, combined. A record still unmatched by any president or Congress since.

    And Ray-gun dismantled our energy independence programs that would have had us free from dependence on foreign oil today.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Your link doesn't work but by the title I am guessing there is no info contained to back up your claim that our public servants are being overpaid.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Reagan and the Republican congress increased the National debt more than all the presidents before him, combined. A record still unmatched by any president or Congress since.

    And Ray-gun dismantled our energy independence programs that would have had us free from dependence on foreign oil today.
    You really do live in a fantasy world, don't you?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't think that's true. Representaitves, governors, and all don't just get their money from union memebers. They get money from business and rich folk as well. On the presentation side, those with more, business and wealthy, have far more representation than working folks do, even with unions.


    Jon Stewart explains how the middle class has become the scapegoat for the budget crisis.

    Video - Jon Stewart explains how the middle class has become the scapegoat for the budget crisis. - National Political Buzz | Examiner.com
    he's a tool. there is no denying that the politicians who bargain with the public sector unions are not representing AND ONLY representing the interests of the taxpayers. In areas where Pub Sec Unions are powerful, there is no doubt that the areas tend to have a fair amount of dems in elected and appointed office.

    the fact remains that when my father (who was CEO of a company that once was full of steel workers) and his vp of labor and counsel negotiated terms with the steel workers, his only interest was in what was best for the owners of that company.

    if a politician is a recipient of pub sector support he is not bargaining purely for the tax payer



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