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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    could you quote the part where I said that I read or did not read your bible? The portion of my post that you reproduced indicated nothing of the kind either way. How do you get off making judgments about what I have done or not done?

    I intentionally used the title because it points to the path we are on. And funny that it is getting there in a directly opposite way that the original author thought we would be . In fct - he was dead wrong and his prediction never came to pass.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really-remind me what happened with Reagan vs. Carter. and what was the income tax structure as this Nation became the most prosperous in the world-before all of our competition was bombed flat.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't think that's true. Representaitves, governors, and all don't just get their money from union memebers. They get money from business and rich folk as well. On the presentation side, those with more, business and wealthy, have far more representation than working folks do, even with unions.


    Jon Stewart explains how the middle class has become the scapegoat for the budget crisis.

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    I saw that, its the best explanation I have heard yet!!!!
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is why Reagan is so highly thought of today, by the majority in this country. If you were there you were just as blinded by an ideology then as you are now.
    Yeah we think of Ray-gun every time we the feel the pain from the National debt and the results of peak oil with no alternatives!
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    People can wrong.
    pardon?

    Don't put too much stock in public opinion.
    oh, no, of course not

    instead invest your credibility in david vines, jon stewart and the drug tested founder of JOURNOLIST

    LOL!

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    pardon?



    oh, no, of course not




    instead invest your credibility in david vines, jon stewart and the drug tested founder of JOURNOLIST

    LOL!
    Give us your explanation of why the middle class is fast becoming as extent as the dodo bird (Raphus cucullatus) prof.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Galt

    could you quote the part where I said that I read or did not read your bible? The portion of my post that you reproduced indicated nothing of the kind either way. How do you get off making judgments about what I have done or not done?

    I intentionally used the title because it points to the path we are on. And funny that it is getting there in a directly opposite way that the original author thought we would be . In fct - he was dead wrong and his prediction never came to pass.
    It is not my bible and comments like that are a great way to end the debate. You haven't read the book. You've already proven that by demonstrating your lack of knowledge about said book. I'm guessing you're trying to back-track now. I'll ask you flat out, have you read it?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    2010 is included within the data, and at least ONE of us has cited a source. I don't see you coming up with any hard data. And even if you could prove that 2010 was radically different, what difference would that make? My source still proves that for the last 20+ years, democrats have taken the majority of the corporate AND union cake.
    I linked to the info previously. At any rate, here it is again and this time from the same site you linked to before regarding your strawman argument:

    2010 Outside Spending, by Groups | OpenSecrets

    My claim is backed up here that 7 out of 10 of the big money donors were conservative.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    It is not my bible and comments like that are a great way to end the debate. You haven't read the book. You've already proven that by demonstrating your lack of knowledge about said book. I'm guessing you're trying to back-track now. I'll ask you flat out, have you read it?
    I have read about the book. I have read a summary of the book. I have read criticism of the book. i did once pick it up in a bookstore, sat down with it for a bit and thumbed through it reading a bit here and there to get the flavor of it.

    I do nto need to ingest the entire buffet table to get an idea of the quality of the food.

    I am far more familiar with it and its premise and claims that just someone who has not read the book. So please put that to rest.
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    The tide is turning against Walker

    Public Policy Polling: Wisconsin closely divided, but against Walker

    Tuesday, March 1, 2011
    Wisconsin closely divided, but against Walker
    There are two conclusions we can make from our poll on the Wisconsin conflict: the state is very closely divided, but it leans slightly to the union side of things rather than Scott Walker's on pretty much every question we asked.

    On the biggest picture question: do you side with Governor Walker or do you side with the public employee unions 51% of voters in the state go with the unions to 47% who stand with the Governor. On another broad question: do you side more with Governor Walker or with the Democrats in the state Senate, 52% of voters go with the Senate Democrats to 47% who go for Walker. And perhaps the clearest indication that Walker has lost a majority of the voters in the state in this conflict, if only a narrow majority, is that 52% of voters now disapprove of him to only 46% who like the job he's doing. Those numbers are basically the inverse of last fall's election results.

    When it comes to broader questions about rights for public employees in Wisconsin the margins are less narrow. 57% of voters think that workers should have the right to collectively bargain for wages, benefits, and working environment rules compared to only 37% who think they shouldn't have those rights. And 55% of voters think that public employees should have at least the same rights they have now, if not more, compared to only 41% who believe they should have fewer rights.

    Key on both of those questions about rights for public employees is that a majority of both union and non-union households stand with the workers on those issues. Union households support collective bargaining by a 70/26 margin, but non-union households do as well by a narrower 51/42 margin. Union households think public employees should have as many or more rights than they do now by a 66/32 spread, but so do non-union households by a 51/45 one.

    Ultimately one of the biggest questions moving forward is whether a recall of Scott Walker would be a viable avenue for pro-union supporters. Right now it looks like it would be a 50/50 proposition. 48% of voters say they would support a recall, while 48% are opposed. That issue's about as polarized on party lines as it could possibly be- 87% of Democrats support a recall, 90% of Republicans are opposed, and independents split narrowly in favor of it by a 48/46 spread. With such a closely divided state Walker's fate would very much be determined by who could better turn their troops out- last year Democrats were asleep at the wheel and let Walker get elected but it might be a whole different story if voters in the state got a chance to do it again.
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