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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    There is no barganing for 2 years so yes it stops all barganing for 2 years. Do you have proof no contracts happen in that 2 years?
    I thought anyone that claimed to be a shop steward in the past would realize that whatever contract is in effect at the time the freeze goes into effect, stays in effect. The only thing that the freeze affects is THE PAY INCREASES.

    I believe that an example of what I mean by a collective bargaining contract would make it a bit more clear in your foggy dome ptif219. How about instead of a Federal gov contract, lets take look at a contract of a police dept in a University town. Might as well start with Alaska, Wasilla to be exact.

    I realize that the freeze for federal employees doesn’t affect the Wasilla Police Department but I will use them as an example of some things that a collective bargaining agreement effects, other than wages. Seeing, as they are now a proud member of Teamster joint council #28, and proud members of local 959.

    Teamsters Local 959,and the city of Wasilla Ak. Signed a four year contract, effective 06/09/09 through 05/31/12. which is 33 pages long,if it were only wages it would be one small page...at the most. Signed(by Mayor Verne Rupright). Signed on Dec 07, 2009, which represents not only the 49 uniformed officers but also the dispatcher and support personal as well.

    A synopsis of what’s at the link.


    Article 21,holidays, sectin 21.05 ….blah, blah, blah,…one floating holiday must be used before May 31.

    Article 10, 10.01. more blah, blah, blah,.

    Seniority clause. Evidently the Chief had his favs.


    More blah, blah, blah,.

    Article 11, overtime. More blah, blah, blah,.

    Gotta go by seniority now… rather than to the suck ass,s.

    Aha, this is the part that explains that no one can strike.

    More blah, blah, blah,. But if you strike your ass is out in the cold…literally.

    11.06 more blah, blah, blah,. Over 40 hours and you’re on overtime.

    14.01 more blah, blah, blah,. Hhmm…nice perk, if you live less than 30 miles of the metropolis of Wasilla you get to take the car home with you.

    The officer’s pay starts at $26.36 and the top Sergeant makes $43.21…in 2009 dollars.


    Here if you want more download it yourself.

    City of Wasilla : Union Information
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You mean bad for democrats
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    At least we have a correlation with progressive taxes, you have nothing to support the regressive tax cuts.
    really-remind me what happened with Reagan vs. Carter. and what was the income tax structure as this Nation became the most prosperous in the world-before all of our competition was bombed flat.



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Private Unions-they bargain with shareholders and management. Each side is representing their own interests-the union wants more pay and benefits, management wants to pay less. If the Union wins too much, the company folds or moves-that serves as a brake upon union greed.

    Public Union-the politicians are often funded by the union. The taxpayers often do not have someone properly bargaining for THEIR interests at the table because many times the negotiations are between the Unions and those the Unions helped elect. The unions of course are supporting those politicians who push for more spending and higher taxes. If the unions win big concessions they know-unlike a private sector business-the government is not and cannot move or generally close shop



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Private Unions-they bargain with shareholders and management. Each side is representing their own interests-the union wants more pay and benefits, management wants to pay less. If the Union wins too much, the company folds or moves-that serves as a brake upon union greed.

    Public Union-the politicians are often funded by the union. The taxpayers often do not have someone properly bargaining for THEIR interests at the table because many times the negotiations are between the Unions and those the Unions helped elect. The unions of course are supporting those politicians who push for more spending and higher taxes. If the unions win big concessions they know-unlike a private sector business-the government is not and cannot move or generally close shop
    I don't think that's true. Representaitves, governors, and all don't just get their money from union memebers. They get money from business and rich folk as well. On the presentation side, those with more, business and wealthy, have far more representation than working folks do, even with unions.


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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    jon stewart?

    LOL!

    where's david vines, wik and JOURNOLIST?

    meanwhile, the washington post reports yesterday: Ohio, Wisconsin shine spotlight on new union battle: Government workers vs. taxpayers

    jon stewart...

    LOL!

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I was there and I know what damage he did to our country. He is the father of our modern day debt problems.
    That is why Reagan is so highly thought of today, by the majority in this country. If you were there you were just as blinded by an ideology then as you are now.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is why Reagan is so highly thought of today, by the majority in this country. If you were there you were just as blinded by an ideology then as you are now.
    People can wrong. I'm just saying. Don't put too much stock in public opinion.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    People can wrong. I'm just saying. Don't put too much stock in public opinion.
    That's exactly right. These polls that indicate that people support public sector unions reflect a complete lack of knowledge on the part of the general public responding. If taxpayers knew what teachers were pulling down in salaries and benefits, as compared to their own (especially in the benefits category), poll results would be much different.

    The misconceptions people have on public sector pensions has been no more apparent than on DP. Most people don't understand them. And don't know what all the fuss is about.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is rich. from galt



    Typo?!?!?!? You leave out an entire word which completely changes the meaning of your sentence and it reveals MY ignorance?!?!?!?! Truly amazing.
    Informed debaters can make a typo and still retain their integrity.

    Yeah, EG, it was just a weird coincidence that I called the road to the coporatist libertarian future The Road To Serfdom. Sheesh.
    How old are you? A sophomore in college?

    And now you tell me that there was an actual book of the same name... and written by a libertarian icon who is worshipped by the Lew Rockwells and Ron Pauls of this world?!?!?!?! Will wonders never cease!!!!!
    HAHAHA!!! You never even read the book! I'm fervently opposed to communism but I dare not form such an opinion without actually reading the literature that forms the basis of its foundation. You're an empty shell simply regurgitating what you hear from other people. Try cracking open a book some day. It might help your credibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your link does not give separate data for the year 2010 which is what my statement was about.
    2010 is included within the data, and at least ONE of us has cited a source. I don't see you coming up with any hard data. And even if you could prove that 2010 was radically different, what difference would that make? My source still proves that for the last 20+ years, democrats have taken the majority of the corporate AND union cake.

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