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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Horse****. I have said NUMEROUS times, labor is NEVER the sole fault. I have also said I dont fault teachers for trying to get as much compensation as they can nor being upset that they may lose compensation. I stated several times there is more than just one side of the story. Im also not going to blame a governor that has been in office for less thahn 2 months with creating the problem. He isnt sitting back whining about the mess he was handed by his predecessor and blaming everything on everyone else. He is addressing a problem. And instead of working WITH him to address the problem the democrat reps of Wisconsin went off into hiding. THATS going to turn out well...isnt it?

    Now who is it that only see's one side?
    and as i have stated, i've no problem at all with what the governor has asked for, for them to pick up more of the cost of their insurance/pensions....i think that is fair...what i have a problem with is him trying to strip them of their right to collective bargaining...the governor is within his right to ask for concessions when the state is struggling, and the unions are within their right to expect to be able to negotiate for a better benefits/pension package when the state is doing well...yeah, he has been their two months and has decided that the unions are all to blame for the states situation...no sense in that whatsoever

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    The govenor should identify as many liars as possible and have them immediately fired. If they find a doctor who tries to defraud the state by lying, then they should be stripped of their liscense to practice in Wisc.
    I forget the exact wording as a doctor explained it, but they were more or less saying it was on the up and up. The worker was being seen by a licensed physician, blah blah, and they didn't have to disclose what was discussed. That also nothing said where they saw their patients etc.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Those teachers...the ones making 100+k in compensation...well over the state average...man...it must SUCK being treated like Egyptians making an average of 2$ a day. It also must suck that for their 'day of anger' and protests, the unions said...sure...expect them to lose some benefits to help with the state budget...all we care about is adding more people to the unions roles...dues to the coffers...
    that has been debunked already...the teachers average around 44 thou if memory serves...try again.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh Hay...you are nothing if not consistent. Nothing ever fits your definition (especially when it disproves your argument, and you refuse to answer questions...so...guess who WONT be playing your stupid games?
    Stupid games? Asking for evidence is stupid? Asking for verifiable support for your claims is a game? Why do you haunt a site called DEBATE POLITICS when you will not even follow the normal procedures of debate?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    and like i said, unions have, and i suspect, continue to step up and do their part...you labor under the assumption that unions have caused this entire budget mess, and that is wrong, and i suspect that you know that that assumption is wrong, but you don't care, as it is a chance to bash unions.
    I really don't blame unions.

    I blame the politicians who sat at the bargaining table with them and gave up the store.
    I blame the teachers themselves for not understanding they are part of the problem.

    Public employees have a suhweeet deal. Better than any of the rest of us. Their defined benefit pension plans are helping to bankrupt the taxpayers.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    that has been debunked already...the teachers average around 44 thou if memory serves...try again.
    A link that the average teacher's salary in the state of Wisconsin is $44,000, please. I don't think your memory serves...at all.

    Never mind. Got it. Average teacher salary $48,743. http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/ave...wisconsin.html Note that fringe benefits are 50% of salary. http://dpi.state.wi.us/lbstat/xls/tasr10.xls These are school district numbers at that. I don't even trust them. Teachers get paid extra for taking study halls, lunchroom duty, yada yada yada.

    Look up teachers named Smith on this link: http://www.postcrescent.com/article/...e=&CPIorderBy=

    See how many Smiths you have to click on 'til you find on making just "average."
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    that has been debunked already...the teachers average around 44 thou if memory serves...try again.
    You have to remember that they include teacher's assitants. Who make on less than the average. Most teachers earn way above the average of what you posted. Not all but enough do that cause a huge drain on taxpayers and then you have to include the benefits and pension they receive. Teachers get way too much.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    A link that the average teacher's salary in the state of Wisconsin is $44,000, please. I don't think your memory serves...at all.
    here ya go...


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...ies-state.html

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You made the claim - you present your evidence. The last time I looked, the auto industry itself wanted help to preserve its labor unions and liked the arrangement and its workers. And the auto companies have turned around into profitability with UNION WORKERS.

    So please give me some real evidence.
    Sometimes Unions are the reasons shops end up closing down and shipping jobs overseas or to other states.
    I was quite familiar with a company in marion Ohio. Tecumseh Products years ago. Almost all my friends worked there, and everyone knew someone who worked there. U.A.W. They went on strike one time even though my friends all felt they were paid fairly or even overpaid. They went on strike, even with the threat of the shop closing down altogether. No one believed that would really happen. Well it eventually did close. I fully blame the Union for that even though there were other circumstances. It was a bad time for Marion. Many who worked there were married couple's who then were both out of jobs. There were also several suicides because of it.
    I have no love for Unions as a whole. They just want the dues and really don't care who gets thrown under the bus when they push too hard.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    and as i have stated, i've no problem at all with what the governor has asked for, for them to pick up more of the cost of their insurance/pensions....i think that is fair...what i have a problem with is him trying to strip them of their right to collective bargaining...the governor is within his right to ask for concessions when the state is struggling, and the unions are within their right to expect to be able to negotiate for a better benefits/pension package when the state is doing well...yeah, he has been their two months and has decided that the unions are all to blame for the states situation...no sense in that whatsoever
    And on that you disagree with the governor. And it is HIS belief that adding more unionized workers to state paid contracts would be devastating to the long term financial stability of the state. Again...it doesnt at ALL bother me that you disagree, nor do I expect you to change your mind. It IS however HIS job to govern the state. When you are in that capacity YOU will have to have a better way of ensuring your state doesnt encounter massive cost overruns.

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