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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I would ask you why you tried to make a point about low reading scores in Wisconsin when you know that is a national problem to try to advance your own position?
    Simple. Because it's a relevant point. It is a national problem because the system is broken.

    For years, poor performance by students in America relative to those in other countries has been explained away as a consequence of our nationwide diversity. But what if you looked more closely, breaking down our results by state and searching not for an average, but for excellence? . . . We’ve known for some time how this story ends nationwide: only 6 percent of U.S. students perform at the advanced-proficiency level in math, a share that lags behind kids in some 30 other countries, from the United Kingdom to Taiwan.

    But what happens when we break down the results? Do any individual U.S. states wind up near the top? . . . Incredibly, no. Even if we treat each state as its own country, not a single one makes it into the top dozen contenders on the list. The best performer is Massachusetts, ringing in at No. 17. Minnesota also makes it into the upper-middle tier, followed by Vermont, New Jersey, and Washington. And down it goes from there, all the way to Mississippi, whose students—by this measure at least—might as well be attending school in Thailand or Serbia.
    Your Child Left Behind - Magazine - The Atlantic

    Pathetic. The most powerful country in the world, the largest economy in the world, and we can't teach our kids? We should be happy that Wisconsin ranks toward the top (if they even do...I have no idea) across the country when 2/3 of their 8th graders aren't even proficient in reading?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Simple. Because it's a relevant point. It is a national problem because the system is broken.
    While an important issue, it has absolutely nothing to do with the union busting happening in Wisconsin.



    Your Child Left Behind - Magazine - The Atlantic

    Pathetic. The most powerful country in the world, the largest economy in the world, and we can't teach our kids? We should be happy that Wisconsin ranks toward the top (if they even do...I have no idea) across the country when 2/3 of their 8th graders aren't even proficient in reading?
    I agree it is pathetic, and as your article points out the scores are the lowest in Mississippi where there is no collective bargaining and the highest scores from Massachusetts where there is collective bargaining. That is interesting. Also agree with your authors that W's No child Left Behind Program has been a failure, but this has nothing to do with busting the public workers union in Wisconsin
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    It is a national problem because the system is broken.
    IF that is true (and I do not believe it is) then you obviously favor a NATIONAL EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM to remedy this NATIONAL PROBLEM. Right?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    CU was about free speech. That decision benefitted both big business and big unions. But of course, your statement only proves that this all a power-grub. It has nothing to do with violating people's rights.
    Even if you are right - and I strongly can say you are not right - look at the strategy now. Destroy the unions. So what are we left with? Corporate America taking us on the Road to Serfdom.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Haymarket, are you a Democrat operative that supports the Democrat agenda of spending in the name of compassion that always keeps people dependent and thus Democrats in power? Too bad there are so many gullible people who buy that agenda.
    No.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    While an important issue, it has absolutely nothing to do with the union busting happening in Wisconsin.
    Prove-it-prove-it-prove-it-prove-it. Proved it and your answer is that it has absolutely nothing to do with the union busting happening in Wisconsin. Nice!
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Even if you are right - and I strongly can say you are not right - look at the strategy now. Destroy the unions. So what are we left with? Corporate America taking us on the Road to Serfdom.
    So, 88.1% of workers in the United States are on the road to serfdom? Oh, pullleeeeeze.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Prove-it-prove-it-prove-it-prove-it. Proved it and your answer is that it has absolutely nothing to do with the union busting happening in Wisconsin. Nice!
    Ha! You are funny! You've already proven it has nothing to do with what's happening in Wisconsin, except maybe the info you highlighted that showed scores were lower in Mississippi where there is no collective bargaining and higher scores in Massachusetts where there is collective bargaining. Is that what you are referring to?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    look at the strategy now. Destroy the unions. So what are we left with? Corporate America taking us on the Road to Serfdom.
    The new census data backs that up -

    "The gap between the wealthiest Americans and middle- and working-class Americans has more than tripled in the past three decades, according to a June 25 report by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

    New data show that the gaps in after-tax income between the richest 1 percent of Americans and the middle and poorest parts of the population in 2007 was the highest it's been in 80 years, while the share of income going to the middle one-fifth of Americans shrank to its lowest level ever.

    The CBPP report attributes the widening of this gap partly to Bush Administration tax cuts, which primarily benefited the wealthy. Of the $1.7 trillion in tax cuts taxpayers received through 2008, high-income households received by far the largest -- not only in amount but also as a percentage of income -- which shifted the concentration of after-tax income toward the top of the spectrum."
    Income Gap Between Rich and Poor Is Highest in Decades, Data Show
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    So, 88.1% of workers in the United States are on the road to serfdom? Oh, pullleeeeeze.
    Serfdom? Well, maybe not, but conditions are problematic. As noted above, the gap is growing. And if we have to match wages and benefits of third world countries to keep business here, well, . . . do we really want that?

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