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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you have no proof that Wisconsin ranks lower than the national average on educational test scores?
    You ignore the facts we posted but I would expect nothing else from you

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Why don’t you explain to me how sticking it to care givers in VA hospitals with a two-year freeze on wages.. Horrendous as it is, to returning Vets “takes away any bargaining power”?

    All I can see is that it is taking qualified Rehab specialist in Physical, mental, occupational therapy, as well as exacerbating a perpetual shortage of RN,s. Check out the shortages of any of the above occupations, at your nearest Veterans hospital, whose pay is already almost 25% less than the areas private sector. While your there you might want to sign up for some volunteer work in your free time…. Nah,you better not.
    Obama froze federal workers wages for 2 years yet no complaints. This means no unions can do collective barganing for 2 years. Not a word from the employees or unions. That show the uproar in Wisconsin is partisan BS

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama did!!

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama froze federal workers wages for 2 years yet no complaints. This means no unions can do collective barganing for 2 years. Not a word from the employees or unions. That show the uproar in Wisconsin is partisan BS
    You had better check your stats out ...its a pay freeze and doesn't effect collective bargaining.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    You had better check your stats out ...its a pay freeze and doesn't effect collective bargaining.
    Take off your lil' tinfoil hat and check post #1442. ;-) ;-) You're right about one thing here....it doesn't effect their collective bargaining rights....'cause they lost them under Jimmy Carter. They don't have any wage/benefit collective bargaining rights.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You don't seem to mind that the corporations have become a much stronger political machine through the Citizens United decision.
    CU was about free speech. That decision benefitted both big business and big unions. But of course, your statement only proves that this all a power-grub. It has nothing to do with violating people's rights.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Are you one of the teachers that taught our children? I'm not looking for proof. I'm tired of providing link-after-after-link to DP posters who do nothing but demand more. For all I know, Wisconsin ranks #1. Hell, I hope they do because that would be the biggest indictman against our public education system that I could produce....when 2/3 of their 8th Graders can't even read proficiently.
    No, to answer your question. Some had questioned where Wisconsin placed in the National educational rankings. That is why I provided the evidence that they do indeed exceed the national average. I am glad you concur! There is no doubt that we need to work on the socio-economic conditions that lead to nationwide African-American deficiencies in reading.


    how about a response to this?
    Now, back to Catawba. You could have chosen to be honest and differentiate that fact about Federal collective bargaining rights -- but you chose not to. Do you think DP posters are stupid? Or will you say anything you have to to advance your own position?
    The claim was made that the federal government did not allow collective bargaining. I demonstrated this claim was untrue. That is the only point relevant to a discussion of ending collective bargaining in Wisconsin as the teachers have already conceded budget related items.

    I would ask you why you tried to make a point about low reading scores in Wisconsin when you knew that is a national problem, in order to advance your own position?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Do you realize if the dems stay gone they will be responsible for more debt tomorrow and the governor will be forced to layoff teachers.

    One more thing to use a favorite dem saying the union voters are out of the main stream and don't get it
    do you realize this could be over TODAY if the governor would drop the union busting tactics, and negotiate in good faith? he has already been told the unions are willing to make the concessions he seeks....this is a 'crisis' of his own making, all he is seeking to do is break the unions/hurt the democratic party....the whole 'more debt' is a smokescreen to hide his true intentions.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You ignore the facts we posted but I would expect nothing else from you
    Where have you posted National achievement rankings by state that show Wisconsin is not above the national average?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Thats a copout. You are being racist and saying white kids are smarter and learn faster thatn black kids. the problem is the education system that money will not fix.
    Go look up socio-economic conditions.
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