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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Wrong the teachers have them 9 months a year so they must not be teaching blacks correctly.

    So are you being racists and saying whites are smarter than blacks so are easier to teach?
    Thanks for your opinion ptif, as usual that is all you have to prove your point. I've provided credible state rankings that show Wisconsin is well above the national average in educational test scores. Still waiting for you to provide state rankings that dispute those I have provided.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    "That will be news to the thousands of Union workers that I once represented and later negotiated with. I'm sure the Officers and members of the National Association of Letter Carriers and the American Postal Workers Union would be surprised to find out that they don't have collective bargaining. Especially since that explicit right was given to them in the 1971 Postal Reorganization Act. I'm pretty sure that I remember discussing grievances, advocating in arbitration cases and negotiating at the bargaining table as both a Union Business Agent and later a Management Labor Relations Specialist working for the USPS.

    Since 2004 and my retirement from the USPS I have been in practice as a Labor Arbitrator. I'm certain it would come as a surprise to the US Army Corps of Engineers, The U.S. Airforce, The U.S. Navy, the Veterans Administration, and the Department of Justice, that they don't have collective bargaining agreements with their civilian employees, since I have heard and decided arbitration cases for all these federal agencies."
    Daily Kos: Meet The Press Fail
    3.The scope of mandatory collective bargaining for federal employees is limited to personnel employment practices only. Basic working conditions such as wages, hours of work, and employee benefits are instead subject to statutory provisions. Union and agency contract provisions as well as all other forms of compulsory union support are prohibited in the federal civil service.
    The Federal Civil Service Reform Act [Mackinac Center]

    Title VII of the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978--You can thank Democrat Jimmy Carter. ;-)


    Another interesting point:

    The act states that employees of the federal government have --

    the right to form, join, or assist any labor organization, or to refrain from any such activity, freely and without fear of penalty or reprisal, and each employee shall be protected in the exercise of such right.
    (Also at link.)

    Translation: Even Federal government employees don't have a closed shop.

    Now, back to Catawba. You could have chosen to be honest and differentiate that fact about Federal collective bargaining rights -- but you chose not to. Do you think DP posters are stupid? Or will you say anything you have to to advance your own position?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for your opinion ptif, as usual that is all you have to prove your point. I've provided credible state rankings that show Wisconsin is well above the national average in educational test scores. Still waiting for you to provide state rankings that dispute those I have provided.
    "Well above the average" indicts the entire public education system in the United States of America. When 2/3 of 8th Graders in Wisconsion read just at basic or below levels, and you show statistics that their test scores are well above average, you have proven nothing except that our education system needs a complete overhaul.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    "Well above the average" indicts the entire public education system in the United States of America. When 2/3 of 8th Graders in Wisconsion read just at basic or below levels, and you show statistics that their test scores are well above average, you have proven nothing except that our education system needs a complete overhaul.
    From the narrow viewpoint you have expressed, I can see how you would come to that conclusion. However, if you understand the socio-economic conditions that lead to African-American doing poorly in reading nationwide, you come to a much better understanding of the problem. But that fails to make your point here so you ignore it.

    Show me state rankings that place Wisconsin below the state average in overall test scores.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    From the narrow viewpoint you have expressed, I can see how you would come to that conclusion. However, if you understand the socio-economic conditions that lead to African-American doing poorly in reading nationwide, you come to a much better understanding of the problem. But that fails to make your point here so you ignore it.

    Show me state rankings that place Wisconsin below the state average in overall test scores.
    How arrogant. Really. If our educational system cannot teach the lower socio-economic groups in our country to read beyond "basic," the system needs to change. There is absolutely no subject in school more important than reading. Fail at that level = fail at every level.

    Again, you don't get it. Where Wisconsin falls re state averages makes absolutely no difference if the whole system is failing.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    How arrogant. Really. If our educational system cannot teach the lower socio-economic groups in our country to read beyond "basic," the system needs to change. There is absolutely no subject in school more important than reading. Fail at that level = fail at every level.

    Again, you don't get it. Where Wisconsin falls re state averages makes absolutely no difference if the whole system is failing.

    So you have no proof that Wisconsin ranks lower than the national average on educational test scores?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you have no proof that Wisconsin ranks lower than the national average on educational test scores?
    Are you one of the teachers that taught our children? I'm not looking for proof. I'm tired of providing link-after-after-link to DP posters who do nothing but demand more. For all I know, Wisconsin ranks #1. Hell, I hope they do because that would be the biggest indictman against our public education system that I could produce....when 2/3 of their 8th Graders can't even read proficiently.

    And while you're about changing the subject, how about a response to this?

    Now, back to Catawba. You could have chosen to be honest and differentiate that fact about Federal collective bargaining rights -- but you chose not to. Do you think DP posters are stupid? Or will you say anything you have to to advance your own position?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    What "democrat took away bargaining power with a wage freeze "?

    Why don’t you explain to me how sticking it to care givers in VA hospitals with a two-year freeze on wages.. Horrendous as it is, to returning Vets “takes away any bargaining power”?

    All I can see is that it is taking qualified Rehab specialist in Physical, mental, occupational therapy, as well as exacerbating a perpetual shortage of RN,s. Check out the shortages of any of the above occupations, at your nearest Veterans hospital, whose pay is already almost 25% less than the areas private sector. While your there you might want to sign up for some volunteer work in your free time…. Nah,you better not.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for your opinion ptif, as usual that is all you have to prove your point. I've provided credible state rankings that show Wisconsin is well above the national average in educational test scores. Still waiting for you to provide state rankings that dispute those I have provided.
    So you are racist and don't care about blacks I get it

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    From the narrow viewpoint you have expressed, I can see how you would come to that conclusion. However, if you understand the socio-economic conditions that lead to African-American doing poorly in reading nationwide, you come to a much better understanding of the problem. But that fails to make your point here so you ignore it.

    Show me state rankings that place Wisconsin below the state average in overall test scores.
    Thats a copout. You are being racist and saying white kids are smarter and learn faster thatn black kids. the problem is the education system that money will not fix.

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