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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Survey of polls show public siding with Wisconsin protesters

    "The polling community is finally starting to catch up with what has become the biggest story in politics over the last week. Tens of thousands of protesters have come out in Madison, Wisconsin to express opposition to Governor Walker's anti-union bill. Gov. Walker has claimed the bill is necessary to balance the budget, and refused to take out the provisions which strip the public employees' unions of their collective bargaining rights. Many believed the public would side with Walker, since the favorability ratings of unions has gone down over the last three decades. However, a sampling of the major polls shows that most are actually siding with the protesters in Wisconsin.

    The best poll on the issue may come from USA Today/Gallup. That poll, with a sampling of over 1,000 Americans, found that 61% of people oppose a law in their state similar to the one Walker is proposing in Wisconsin. Just 33% were in favor of a similar law. Another poll commissioned by the AFL/CIO, but conducted by an independent firm, found that 62% of Wisconsin voters view the public employees favorably, compared to just 11% who have an unfavorable view. In comparison, just 39% of Wisconsin voters now have a favorable view of Walker, compared to 49% who have an unfavorable view. Finally, the poll found 52% of Wisconsin voters oppose Governor Walker's plan while 42% favor it.

    Conservatives like to cite a Rasmussen Reports poll which purports to show 48% of likely votes supporting Walker with just 38% supporting the protesters. However, many have looked upon the Rasmussen poll with a great deal of skepticism. Polling expert Nate Silver wrote a column strongly criticizing the Rasmussen poll. Silver points out that Rasmussen tended to be biased toward Republicans by an average of four points in the 2010 elections. Silver also takes issue with the ordering of the questions in the Rasmussen poll. The poll first asks respondents about a possible strike by firefighters and policemen (which is not even part of the Wisconsin bill or controversy) before going on to ask them about the bill itself. Silver argues, with statistical evidence, that the question wording could lead respondents to support the bill. Silver ends his column with a harsh rebuke saying,

    "Because of the problems with question design, my advice would be simply to disregard the Rasmussen Reports poll, and to view their work with extreme skepticism going forward."



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    Why don't you move to Wisconsin so you can pay the cost of those public unions? Explain to me what Haymarket won't, why does the states allow for collective bargaining and the Federal Govt. doesn't for public union employees?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    One was from 2005, two were from 2009. They all show Wisconsin is rated higher than the national average. Let's see your "more updated" rankings that show differently?
    It also show black children in Wisconsin below average.

    The first one was a forum.

    It shows nothing of substance unless you are a racist and do not care about the Black children in Wisconsin.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Te Republican facade is cracking. GOP Senator Schultz is said to NOT support Walkers bill.
    The democrats put their cash cow unions above tax payers and voters. This will be seen and will be seen in the next election.

    I think Obama knows that so he has been silent for over a week on this issue

    Again I ask why is this a big deal and a federal wage freeze on unions is okay.

    Seems if a democrat does it good, if GOP does it bad. More made up issues for partisan reasons
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Why don't you move to Wisconsin so you can pay the cost of those public unions? Explain to me what Haymarket won't, why does the states allow for collective bargaining and the Federal Govt. doesn't for public union employees?
    "That will be news to the thousands of Union workers that I once represented and later negotiated with. I'm sure the Officers and members of the National Association of Letter Carriers and the American Postal Workers Union would be surprised to find out that they don't have collective bargaining. Especially since that explicit right was given to them in the 1971 Postal Reorganization Act. I'm pretty sure that I remember discussing grievances, advocating in arbitration cases and negotiating at the bargaining table as both a Union Business Agent and later a Management Labor Relations Specialist working for the USPS.

    Since 2004 and my retirement from the USPS I have been in practice as a Labor Arbitrator. I'm certain it would come as a surprise to the US Army Corps of Engineers, The U.S. Airforce, The U.S. Navy, the Veterans Administration, and the Department of Justice, that they don't have collective bargaining agreements with their civilian employees, since I have heard and decided arbitration cases for all these federal agencies."
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It also show black children in Wisconsin below average.

    The first one was a forum.

    It shows nothing of substance unless you are a racist and do not care about the Black children in Wisconsin.
    African American children score low nationwide in reading. It is due to socio-economic reasons, not a failure on the part of teachers. As has been shown Wisconsin is far above the national average in test scores across the board in education.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    do you forget that union members are also taxpayers and voters?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    African American children score low nationwide in reading. It is due to socio-economic reasons, not a failure on the part of teachers. As has been shown Wisconsin is far above the national average in test scores across the board in education.
    Wrong the teachers have them 9 months a year so they must not be teaching blacks correctly.

    So are you being racists and saying whites are smarter than blacks so are easier to teach?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    do you forget that union members are also taxpayers and voters?
    Do you realize if the dems stay gone they will be responsible for more debt tomorrow and the governor will be forced to layoff teachers.

    One more thing to use a favorite dem saying the union voters are out of the main stream and don't get it
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "That will be news to the thousands of Union workers that I once represented and later negotiated with. I'm sure the Officers and members of the National Association of Letter Carriers and the American Postal Workers Union would be surprised to find out that they don't have collective bargaining. Especially since that explicit right was given to them in the 1971 Postal Reorganization Act. I'm pretty sure that I remember discussing grievances, advocating in arbitration cases and negotiating at the bargaining table as both a Union Business Agent and later a Management Labor Relations Specialist working for the USPS.

    Since 2004 and my retirement from the USPS I have been in practice as a Labor Arbitrator. I'm certain it would come as a surprise to the US Army Corps of Engineers, The U.S. Airforce, The U.S. Navy, the Veterans Administration, and the Department of Justice, that they don't have collective bargaining agreements with their civilian employees, since I have heard and decided arbitration cases for all these federal agencies."
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    Daily Kos? no wonder. Not sure what you negotiated but it certainly wasn't wages and benefits.

    Suggest you get the facts

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Daily Kos? no wonder. Not sure what you negotiated but it certainly wasn't wages and benefits.
    Meet the Press, ever hear of it?
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