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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Too bad you missed my links you just responded to without reading. You would have learned that Wisconsin is rated 8th in the nation in education.
    I read them I said it is from 2005

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    I do not hate rich people.

    Also, sending $$$ to causes does not solve the problem, because it does not look at the root of the problem. For example, while giving $$$ to a homeless shelter is a great thing and I encourage people to do so, it does not solve the root cause of homelessness. Donating money addresses the symptoms but not the cause.
    Then welfare and food stamps is worse.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I read them I said it is from 2005
    One was from 2005, two were from 2009. They all show Wisconsin is rated higher than the national average. Let's see your "more updated" rankings that show differently?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There is a reason the rust belt is losing jobs to the south. Run them all down here, great! You keep running from FDR's words, don't blame you. Don't see you running away from FDR's programs which by your logic are outdated as well.
    I can't believe liberals are supporting public sector unions.
    The money goes from the taxpayer to the Union, to the politicians to get them elected, it then goes from the politicians back to the Union through collective bargaining. Then the Union owes the politician again and contributes to his Campaign and then the politician owes the Union...

    And now the states are in a world of hurt.

    Private sector Unions do not take from the state or taxpayers when they get sweetheart deals through collective bargaining.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why did the politicians set it up so only a small group pays it

    because if they had applied it to everyone they probably would have been shot

    why do you people cite Paris Hilton rather than the 75 percent of those who die with a taxable estate who earned it as first generation millionaires?
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    O’Donnell attempted to balance her out, noting that the administration had some successes and asking what Obama would have to do to win her back. “Get rid of death taxes,” she replied without skipping a beat. “I vote for myself– death taxes and Israel.”
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I can't believe liberals are supporting public sector unions.
    The money goes from the taxpayer to the Union, to the politicians to get them elected, it then goes from the politicians back to the Union through collective bargaining. Then the Union owes the politician again and contributes to his Campaign and then the politician owes the Union...

    And now the states are in a world of hurt.

    Private sector Unions do not take from the state or taxpayers when they get sweetheart deals through collective bargaining.
    The only people supporting public unions with any conviction are those in public unions. On the street. And on DP Politics. They mistakenly believe they're on the righteous side of an Erin Brokovich moment. Unfortunately for them, they're on the wrong side in that comparison...
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Te Republican facade is cracking. GOP Senator Schultz is said to NOT support Walkers bill.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Te Republican facade is cracking. GOP Senator Schultz is said to NOT support Walkers bill.
    Republicans don't need Schultz to pass the bill, they do need however the Democrats to stop running from their responsibility to do their job.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Te Republican facade is cracking. GOP Senator Schultz is said to NOT support Walkers bill.
    Not much on it...but if the one source that talks about it is true, he is now advocating a compromise to take bargaining off the table for a two-year period. I hope it doesn't spread.

    There is no Republican facade, Haymarket. This is not your Erin Brokovich moment. It's the taxpayers'.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Survey of polls show public siding with Wisconsin protesters

    "The polling community is finally starting to catch up with what has become the biggest story in politics over the last week. Tens of thousands of protesters have come out in Madison, Wisconsin to express opposition to Governor Walker's anti-union bill. Gov. Walker has claimed the bill is necessary to balance the budget, and refused to take out the provisions which strip the public employees' unions of their collective bargaining rights. Many believed the public would side with Walker, since the favorability ratings of unions has gone down over the last three decades. However, a sampling of the major polls shows that most are actually siding with the protesters in Wisconsin.

    The best poll on the issue may come from USA Today/Gallup. That poll, with a sampling of over 1,000 Americans, found that 61% of people oppose a law in their state similar to the one Walker is proposing in Wisconsin. Just 33% were in favor of a similar law. Another poll commissioned by the AFL/CIO, but conducted by an independent firm, found that 62% of Wisconsin voters view the public employees favorably, compared to just 11% who have an unfavorable view. In comparison, just 39% of Wisconsin voters now have a favorable view of Walker, compared to 49% who have an unfavorable view. Finally, the poll found 52% of Wisconsin voters oppose Governor Walker's plan while 42% favor it.

    Conservatives like to cite a Rasmussen Reports poll which purports to show 48% of likely votes supporting Walker with just 38% supporting the protesters. However, many have looked upon the Rasmussen poll with a great deal of skepticism. Polling expert Nate Silver wrote a column strongly criticizing the Rasmussen poll. Silver points out that Rasmussen tended to be biased toward Republicans by an average of four points in the 2010 elections. Silver also takes issue with the ordering of the questions in the Rasmussen poll. The poll first asks respondents about a possible strike by firefighters and policemen (which is not even part of the Wisconsin bill or controversy) before going on to ask them about the bill itself. Silver argues, with statistical evidence, that the question wording could lead respondents to support the bill. Silver ends his column with a harsh rebuke saying,

    "Because of the problems with question design, my advice would be simply to disregard the Rasmussen Reports poll, and to view their work with extreme skepticism going forward."



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