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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We aren't talking about Masters and PhD degrees. We're talking about the average of Wisconsin teachers' salaries across the board. You have absolutely no reference to what a Wisconsin teacher with a MA or PhD earns. If you do, post it up. You can't just make stuff up to fit your opinion, Catawba.

    Edit: As to Wiki referencing the U.S. Census Bureau, then, my friend, you should have, too. Wiki is inherently unreliable. Could have been written by a Wisconsin teacher. ;-)

    Perhaps I can help Maggie.

    Public and private pay comparison by education in Wisconsin,
    Unadjusted for other variables

    High school, private sector = 47,469 Public sector= 46,213

    Some college, private sector = 50,324 Public sector=46,707

    Associate’s, private sector = 59,043 public sector= 56,561

    Bachelor’s private sector = 82,134 public sector= 61,668

    Professional degree private sector = 225,644 public sector=143,569

    Masters private sector = 100,296 public sector= 74,056

    Doctorate private sector= 128,306 public sector=91,623
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It was included in the total average for educators in Wisconsin - approximately $50,000.
    $5,000 including the BAD ONES and the no good for nothing educators, why?? because they have to earn the same wages, why?? because they belong to the union. How does this help our children??? Weed out the bad ones or fire them, but NO.... you can't fire them because they belong to the union.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Perhaps I can help Maggie.

    Public and private pay comparison by education in Wisconsin,
    Unadjusted for other variables

    High school, private sector = 47,469 Public sector= 46,213

    Some college, private sector = 50,324 Public sector=46,707

    Associate’s, private sector = 59,043 public sector= 56,561

    Bachelor’s private sector = 82,134 public sector= 61,668

    Professional degree private sector = 225,644 public sector=143,569

    Masters private sector = 100,296 public sector= 74,056

    Doctorate private sector= 128,306 public sector=91,623
    Perhaps you are just behind the curve here on this thread, Donc. 'Cause I know how much time it took to make your post. Further up this thread, you'll see a link to the U.S. Census Bureau that blows your numbers out of the water. (I think it's this thread....it's one of 'em....)
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    ANYBODY... SOMEBODY!!!
    The state of Wisconsin can't afford the HIGH benefits and the HIGH pay of ANY union employee anymore. The state is BROKE thanks to the previous Liberal governors who can't manage anything without spending BIG amounts of money, Obama is a perfect example! The USA has no more money, we are broke!
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Perhaps you are just behind the curve here on this thread, Donc. 'Cause I know how much time it took to make your post. Further up this thread, you'll see a link to the U.S. Census Bureau that blows your numbers out of the water. (I think it's this thread....it's one of 'em....)


    I guess i will have to go take a peek at it, in the mean time check this link and see what you think of it.

    Oh, by the way, if i happen to stumble over some other government data,on my meandering thru the internet's that refutes your position; would you finally admit that you were wrong?



    <This paper investigates whether Wisconsin public employees are overpaid at the expense of Wisconsin taxpayers. The
    research is timely. Newly sworn-in Gov. Scott Walker believes that public employee compensation must be cut to make
    it comparable to private sector pay at the state, local, and school levels. Walker is promoting public employee pay cuts,
    changes in collective bargaining laws, major benefits reductions, and a possible decertification of public employee unions
    as the antidote to the alleged overpayment of public employees in Wisconsin and the key to reducing the state’s budget
    deficit (Bergquist and Stein 2010). >



    Are Wisconsin Public Employees Over-compensated?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I guess i will have to go take a peek at it, in the mean time check this link and see what you think of it.

    Oh, by the way, if i happen to stumble over some other government data,on my meandering thru the internet's that refutes your position; would you finally admit that you were wrong?
    Well, of course, it would depend on the data. But I'm not one who can't admit I'm wrong...

    Don't forget to take their bennies into account. The public sector has some of the finest pension plans on the planet. If you show me with government data that shows that Wisconsin public school teachers are underpaid as compared to their educational equivalents in the private sector, taking into account the difference in hours and their benefits, I will admit I am wrong about that. :-)

    I think you have your work cut out for you; mainly because the school teacher data is very difficult to come by. It is not easily available to the public.

    Edit: Oh, by the way, I hate "Oh, by the ways." Makes me think you're going to slam me with a link as soon as I post.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    It has just been announced republican state sen Dale Schultz no longer backing bill according to a tweet i just got.Hope its true
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, of course, it would depend on the data. But I'm not one who can't admit I'm wrong...

    Don't forget to take their bennies into account. The public sector has some of the finest pension plans on the planet. If you show me with government data that shows that Wisconsin public school teachers are underpaid as compared to their educational equivalents in the private sector, taking into account the difference in hours and their benefits, I will admit I am wrong about that. :-)

    I think you have your work cut out for you; mainly because the school teacher data is very difficult to come by. It is not easily available to the public.

    Edit: Oh, by the way, I hate "Oh, by the ways." Makes me think you're going to slam me with a link as soon as I post.
    Nah, I wouldn’t pull a Columbo on ya Maggie…besides, all I have to do is tell you that the link that I provideds data comes from BLS.GOV. Just hopen that you don’t make me drag me weary bones over there and confirm it.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Perhaps I can help Maggie.

    Public and private pay comparison by education in Wisconsin,
    Unadjusted for other variables

    High school, private sector = 47,469 Public sector= 46,213

    Some college, private sector = 50,324 Public sector=46,707

    Associate’s, private sector = 59,043 public sector= 56,561

    Bachelor’s private sector = 82,134 public sector= 61,668

    Professional degree private sector = 225,644 public sector=143,569

    Masters private sector = 100,296 public sector= 74,056

    Doctorate private sector= 128,306 public sector=91,623
    This means nothing if you do not look at each career field.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    It has just been announced republican state sen Dale Schultz no longer backing bill according to a tweet i just got.Hope its true
    Explain why it is okay to freeze federal union wages but this in Wisconsin is so bad. Sounds like total partisan politics to me

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