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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Lets see the source of your figures? I have already posted 2003 census data that showed the national average for those with comparable education ranged from $55,000 to $74,000 (before benefits) and that was in 2003! And you do not know any teachers if you think they stop working at the end of their contract day.
    Household income in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Wikipedia? That's your source? Even Wisconsin school teachers don't allow their name in footnotes.

    Here's one: Job Salary Earnings Comparison - College Degrees and High School Diploma -- You'll like this one even less. And here's one you won't like as well, either: http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/p23-210.pdf -- from the U.S. Census Bureau showing $52,200.

    And you know nothing about the private sector if you think the average white collar worker works anywhere close to 9 to 5.

    Edit: Further, why are you linking to something that talks about household income??
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Unbelievable, you cannot even be honest on this issue, tell me why the Federal Govt. doesn't give the Federal Public unions the same rights as those demanded in the states? There is nothing that prevents the Federal Govt to do that other than logic and common sense which most liberals seem to lack. When you figure out why the Federal Govt. doesn't allow it then just maybe you will understand why many are against the state pubic unions having those rights. Conflict of interest seems to only matter on certain issues in your world.
    there are many many many things the Federal Government does not do. I prefer to deal with what is rather than what is not. But do continue to chase this truck. I just wonder what you will do with it if you ever catch it. Is there some point in here that negates the reality and the law in Wisconsin?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    this entire issue of overpaid public employees has already been explained, sliced, diced and debunked

    http://www.cows.org/pdf/bp-WIpublics...mpensation.pdf

    Please read it.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    there are many many many things the Federal Government does not do. I prefer to deal with what is rather than what is not. But do continue to chase this truck. I just wonder what you will do with it if you ever catch it. Is there some point in here that negates the reality and the law in Wisconsin?
    The GOP Legislature and the GOP Governor in Wisconsin are going to enact the Federal Govt. union policy regardless of what you say or do. There is a reason that the Federal Govt. doesn't allow full collective bargaining rights and that policy is more important at the state level since states cannot print money and have to balance their budgets.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    So you admit that it's nothing but politics for you and NOT about working people.

    You want public workers to suffer the same loss of wages and benefits as private sector employees do.

    It's not about the state budget at all (because again, the union has already conceded the budget stuff); it's about turning the last sector of workers who maintain the right to organize into serfs like the rest of us.

    Never mind that a bunch of Tea Party heroes drool over their government checks to do nothing (i.e. farm subsidies). Don't do anything about them. Attack workers instead.
    Wrong the democrats show their cash cow the unions have more rights in their eyes than the voters and taxpayers

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Did the governor give himself a pay cut? What about the state legislature? Do politicians deserve to earn as much or more than a teacher? What about their healthcare plan? Their pension plan? Their private offices? Their special license plates? Did the frugal governor address any of these taxpayer items?

    A crock of hypocrite crap.
    Show me the teachers paycut

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Wikipedia? That's your source? Even Wisconsin school teachers don't allow their name in footnotes.
    I guess you didn't bother to look and see the data referenced was from the US Census did you?

    A blog is what you prefer to the US census data?


    You'll like this one even less. And here's one you won't like as well, either: http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/p23-210.pdf -- from the U.S. Census Bureau showing $52,200.
    Glad to see you finally got back to the same data I referenced. You are already above what teachers make today using private sector figures from 2003. Now look to see what the comparable income was for those with Masters and PHd degrees and average those in with those with Bachelors degrees, and compare that figure with the $50,000 teachers make.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Glad to see you finally got back to the same data I referenced. You are already above what teachers make today using private sector figures from 2003. Now look to see what the comparable income was for those with Masters and PHd degrees and average those in with those with Bachelors degrees, and compare that figure with the $50,000 teachers make.
    We aren't talking about Masters and PhD degrees. We're talking about the average of Wisconsin teachers' salaries across the board. You have absolutely no reference to what a Wisconsin teacher with a MA or PhD earns. If you do, post it up. You can't just make stuff up to fit your opinion, Catawba.

    Edit: As to Wiki referencing the U.S. Census Bureau, then, my friend, you should have, too. Wiki is inherently unreliable. Could have been written by a Wisconsin teacher. ;-)
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I guess you didn't bother to look and see the data referenced was from the US Census did you?



    A blog is what you prefer to the US census data?




    Glad to see you finally got back to the same data I referenced. You are already above what teachers make today using private sector figures from 2003. Now look to see what the comparable income was for those with Masters and PHd degrees and average those in with those with Bachelors degrees, and compare that figure with the $50,000 teachers make.
    Lets see Obama puts a wage freeze on federal union employees and not a word but now no freeze but because it is GOP big BS from democrats and unions. This is all partisan politics from the democrats and unions. The democrats show that they will stand up for unions and they care nothing about taxpayers and voters.

    This will hurt democrats the next election.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    We aren't talking about Masters and PhD degrees. We're talking about the average of Wisconsin teachers' salaries across the board. You have absolutely no reference to what a Wisconsin teacher with a MA or PhD earns. If you do, post it up. You can't just make stuff up to fit your opinion, Catawba.
    Why would you exclude educators with Master and PHD degrees? I already did show this in my link to the census data. Perhaps you should actually read it this time.
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