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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I'll play your silly game of vague generalities...

    Unions constantly lobbies to raise workers pay and compensation packages, protect incompetent and dishonest employees, suckj resources and eventually the life out of state budgets and taxpayers, and killed the job market....without people trying to end the union stranglehold that has chocked the life out of the US job market, Im sure they would eventually manage to drive all industrial jobs overseas and cause the states to go bankrupt trying to pay their contracts
    We know what you believe. You have made that clear time and time again. Could you please give us the independent verifiable evidence which created these beliefs?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    The National Guard to replace those on strike makes sense to me. They would be qualified to do the jobs the Union workers abandoned.
    Oh wow. My bad on reading comprehension. I thought that the NG would work with corrections to make sure the workers didn't strike.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We know what you believe. You have made that clear time and time again. Could you please give us the independent verifiable evidence which created these beliefs?
    Wiki Detroit. Wiki the auto industry. Ask anyone that has been involved with federal employee unions. That should do it.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wiki Detroit. Wiki the auto industry. Ask anyone that has been involved with federal employee unions. That should do it.
    why should he do your homework for you?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wiki Detroit. Wiki the auto industry. Ask anyone that has been involved with federal employee unions. That should do it.
    You made the claim - you present your evidence. The last time I looked, the auto industry itself wanted help to preserve its labor unions and liked the arrangement and its workers. And the auto companies have turned around into profitability with UNION WORKERS.

    So please give me some real evidence.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    no 'vague generalities'...this is what the business lobby does...and as far as the last part of your post, your logic makes everyone that draws a paycheck from an employer to be the equal of a parasite....the rest of your post is pure garbage.
    So thats FUNNY!!! YOU make vague generalities about 'what business does' but its not FAIR to make those same vague generalities about unions...

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You made the claim - you present your evidence. The last time I looked, the auto industry itself wanted help to preserve its labor unions and liked the arrangement and its workers. And the auto companies have turned around into profitability with UNION WORKERS.

    So please give me some real evidence.
    and and and they gave the workers a BONUS!! WHICH THEY WILL SPEND!! WHICH WILL HELP THE ECONOMY!!! oh the humanity!!

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You made the claim - you present your evidence. The last time I looked, the auto industry itself wanted help to preserve its labor unions and liked the arrangement and its workers. And the auto companies have turned around into profitability with UNION WORKERS.

    So please give me some real evidence.

    Im SURE I can offer things to change your open mind...right?

    Oh wait...werent you a union rep? Yeah...THAT would be a productive exercise. That being said...play with this.

    "According to briefing materials prepared by General Motors, "The total of both cash compensation and benefits provided to GM hourly workers in 2006 amounted to approximately $73.26 per active hour worked."

    "The Detroit automakers explain in their SEC filings that their benefit expenses are for current workers, not former employees. This is because they follow generally accepted accounting principles in preparing these estimates. If the figures did include current retiree benefits, the average hourly amount would be much higher than they actually report. UAW employees earn far more than most Americans do. Congress should not tax all Americans to bailout the Detroit automakers in order to preserve high earnings for a few"

    No myth: Detroit union workers cost $70 an hour | Daily Estimate
    Last edited by VanceMack; 02-20-11 at 01:16 PM.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im SURE I can offer things to change your open mind...right?

    Oh wait...werent you a union rep? Yeah...THAT would be a productive exercise. That being said...play with this.

    "According to briefing materials prepared by General Motors, "The total of both cash compensation and benefits provided to GM hourly workers in 2006 amounted to approximately $73.26 per active hour worked."

    No myth: Detroit union workers cost $70 an hour | Daily Estimate
    You have still failed to present any evidence of the charges you made. Your Detroit story does nothing to substantiate your previous claims as they are not related and one does not support the charges made in the other. Your source also is four years out of date and fails to take into consideration
    1- concession contracts the unions have made changing those numbers in favor of the company
    2- contracts which establish a two tiered wage system where newer workers hired since then are making significantly less which drives down the average tremendously

    Try again please.
    Last edited by haymarket; 02-20-11 at 01:19 PM.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    and and and they gave the workers a BONUS!! WHICH THEY WILL SPEND!! WHICH WILL HELP THE ECONOMY!!! oh the humanity!!
    Wait...wait...I thought bonuses for business that recieved federal bailouts were BAD...

    WIsconsin cannot afford to sustain current business practices. Like in New York, New Jersey, California, etc, they are facing budget shrotfalls. UNLIKE other states (and the federal government, Wisconsin cant just push their deficits onto future generations...they have a balanced budget amendment. Things WILL change there. You may not like it...but...well...too bad.

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