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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i'm union proud buddy, i've worked in both union and non union shops, and definitely prefer a union shop, where i can have a voice, where i can be represented, where my boss just can't steamroll me out the door because he doesnt like the sports teams i'm a fan of, or he doesnt like me because i won't kiss his ass....i like knowing my boss has to have a VALID reason to be rid of me...oh, and conservative, you donating that entire social security check to charity? also, perhaps you should take a few more civics classes...just sayin'
    Of course you do because you lack initiative and drive to accomplish anything on your own. It must really frustrate you that I control my own money and my own success. I invested in SS for 35 years and will let you know when that investment runs out. Since you don't seem to understand investments and returns I doubt you will understand it though.

    I remember well a famous baseball manager, Walter Alston of the then Brooklyn Dodgers, who operated on a series of one year contracts. That is the way I operated in my 35 year career. I have no problem being held accountable for results and no problem getting money back that I was forced to contribute to SS even though that forced contributions cost me well over a million dollars in personal net worth.

    You do make a good union employee though, defending the indefensible and taking money from your employer without concern for company success. IMO many union employees get more than they are worth and wouldn't be surprised that you are one of those people.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    You keep saying it's union busting. What say you to the fact that these Wisconsin public sector workers would still have more rights to negotiate than Federal employees? Or are those working in the Federal government peons being downtrodden by their masters?

    Since you are a member of a union, why don't you get a pension? Closed shop? If it weren't, your union would work harder to get you a pension.
    lot of misconceptions out there maggie, even though i'm a member of the uaw, i work for a parts supplier, and being a member of uaw, doesnt guarantee that i get a pension..and a closed shop has nothing to do with it...and yes, this is union busting...the governor is taking the first steps toward making wisconsin into a 'right to work' state....sorry, i don't support someone being able to come into my shop, decline to join my union, but yet, enjoy the same wages/ benefits and protections that my union brothers and sisters have negotiated, without helping pay for the enforcement/ administration of that contract.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    lot of misconceptions out there maggie, even though i'm a member of the uaw, i work for a parts supplier, and being a member of uaw, doesnt guarantee that i get a pension..and a closed shop has nothing to do with it...and yes, this is union busting...the governor is taking the first steps toward making wisconsin into a 'right to work' state....sorry, i don't support someone being able to come into my shop, decline to join my union, but yet, enjoy the same wages/ benefits and protections that my union brothers and sisters have negotiated, without helping pay for the enforcement/ administration of that contract.
    You say the governor is taking the first steps toward making Wisconsin into a right-to-work state. I say he is taking steps to give the taxpayer a voice: no more collective bargaining on wages...something Fed employees have never had...no more increases in pay above the CPI without a taxpayer vote. Further, that a vote will be taken every year to make sure that employees still want to pay their union dues. What could be more democratic than that, Randel?

    I do have to say that I respect your opinion more than others because you don't receive a pension. And you are a union member. I personally don't know how anyone not receiving a pension, who relies primarily on Social Security and maybe a 401K, could not resent the Rolls Royce pension plans they are forced to pay for through their taxes....
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You say the governor is taking the first steps toward making Wisconsin into a right-to-work state. I say he is taking steps to give the taxpayer a voice: no more collective bargaining on wages...something Fed employees have never had...no more increases in pay above the CPI without a taxpayer vote. Further, that a vote will be taken every year to make sure that employees still want to pay their union dues. What could be more democratic than that, Randel?

    I do have to say that I respect your opinion more than others because you don't receive a pension. And you are a union member. I personally don't know how anyone not receiving a pension, who relies primarily on Social Security and maybe a 401K, could not resent the Rolls Royce pension plans they are forced to pay for through their taxes....
    i have believed for a long time, before i was union, that 'pensions' are going the way of the dinosaur...as for giving the choice to pay union dues or not, THAT is the first step to making wisconsin a 'right to work' state....and i don't believe it will stop there, there will be attempts to apply that to all unions...i don't support that one bit.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    Of course you do because you lack initiative and drive to accomplish anything on your own.
    How dare you the temerity to presume to judge if another poster lacks initiative or drive simply because they support their legal right to be in a union.

    Shame on you. Such arrogance and elitism is tantamount to a personal insult. It serves your cause very poorly.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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    How dare you the temerity to presume to judge if another poster lacks initiative or drive simply because they support their legal right to be in a union.

    Shame on you. Such arrogance and elitism is tantamount to a personal insult. It serves your cause very poorly.
    thank you haymarket...i didnt deem his post really worthy of any discussion.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    thank you haymarket...i didnt deem his post really worthy of any discussion.
    You are welcome. I really think all of us here have to start refusing to lie down for such insults. This has to stop and stop now.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i have believed for a long time, before i was union, that 'pensions' are going the way of the dinosaur...as for giving the choice to pay union dues or not, THAT is the first step to making wisconsin a 'right to work' state....and i don't believe it will stop there, there will be attempts to apply that to all unions...i don't support that one bit.
    Pensions have indeed gone the way of the dinosaur....in the private sector. 11% of those receiving a pension in the private sector are covered by defined benefit plans. 90% in the public sector are covered by these onerous plans.

    If the majority of people in the state of Wisconsin elect politicians who advocate it being a right-to-work state, would you not agree that our democracy says it ought to happen? Or do you only advocate democracy when you agree with the end result?
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Pensions have indeed gone the way of the dinosaur....in the private sector. 11% of those receiving a pension in the private sector are covered by defined benefit plans. 90% in the public sector are covered by these onerous plans.

    If the majority of people in the state of Wisconsin elect politicians who advocate it being a right-to-work state, would you not agree that our democracy says it ought to happen? Or do you only advocate democracy when you agree with the end result?
    from what i have read, while walker was big on the campaign trail with wanting the states budget to be balanced, i don't believe he really said anything about ending collective bargaining/making union dues voluntary/ having to re-certify the union every year....i believe he decieved alot of people on what his methods would be...he had some union support, which he has now lost.

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