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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    The huge corporations and conglomerates - whom conservatives cater to - will be tickled green.
    Name for us a large corporation that pays its full time workers minimum wage? What you don't seem to understand is minimum wage also serves as a maximum wage that some companies have to pay their workers when the market would demand more. In my 35 years in the business world, not once did I ever pay minimum wage to any of the 1200 full time employees I hired. I competed against Wal-Mart and McDonalds and know their pay structure quite well. Keep buying the leftwing rhetoric whose sole goal is to keep you and others dependent.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    some here won't be happy until the average worker is working 16 hour days for pennies an hour...
    Liberals always buy the feel good rhetoric of spending in the name of compassion yet never hold the elite accountable for the failure in generating compassionate results but instead creating greater dependence. Conservatives are the only ones that really don't care how much money you make. Contrast to liberal leadership.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Some here won't be happy until taxpayers are no longer subsidizing Democrats' political campaigns through their "give-away-the-store" mentality at the bargaining table.

    Those who think their union is the only thing standing between them and 16-hour-days-for-pennies are probably right. For the rest of us working stiffs, we know we don't have to depend on a union's largess to get paid what we're worth. And, by "the rest of us working stiffs," read 88.1% of all workers in the United States.
    i want the rest of you 'working stiffs', when you have a moment of clarity, to thank the unions for all that you have...8hr standard workday, minimum time and a half for overtime, weekends off, paid vacations, holidays such as christmas, thanksgiving.....not to mention improved health and safety rules, the 'unions' keeping the pressure on osha, which does nothing more than enforce(if that, more often a small fine) bare minimum standards, NOT THE STANDARDS THAT ARE THE MOST SAFE, the bare minimum, and they wouldnt do that without the unions holding the flame to their feet...some of you are so blind, so set in your thinking, as to belive that nothing would change if unions were to go out of existence...every day, big business is in washington, the local statehouses, to lobby to reduce worker protections, to lobby for lower safety standards, to lobby for laws to limit how and when overtime should be paid... yeah, life would suck without unions.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i want the rest of you 'working stiffs', when you have a moment of clarity, to thank the unions for all that you have...8hr standard workday, minimum time and a half for overtime, weekends off, paid vacations, holidays such as christmas, thanksgiving.....not to mention improved health and safety rules, the 'unions' keeping the pressure on osha, which does nothing more than enforce(if that, more often a small fine) bare minimum standards, NOT THE STANDARDS THAT ARE THE MOST SAFE, the bare minimum, and they wouldnt do that without the unions holding the flame to their feet...some of you are so blind, so set in your thinking, as to belive that nothing would change if unions were to go out of existence...every day, big business is in washington, the local statehouses, to lobby to reduce worker protections, to lobby for lower safety standards, to lobby for laws to limit how and when overtime should be paid... yeah, life would suck without unions.
    It really sucks when individuals delegate personal responsibility issues to someone else, i.e. the unions especially today. Liberals always overreact with emotional rhetoric and the reality that liberals only want dependence for without it, liberalism wouldn't be needed. We have laws on the books today that eliminate the need for unions but that doesn't matter to those dependent on the unions who cannot compete in society. Then there is the public vs. private sector unions. Who do the public unions bargain with?

    Randal did you ever determine where the money comes from that the public union workers get to pay their union dues?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It really sucks when individuals delegate personal responsibility issues to someone else, i.e. the unions especially today. Liberals always overreact with emotional rhetoric and the reality that liberals only want dependence for without it, liberalism wouldn't be needed. We have laws on the books today that eliminate the need for unions but that doesn't matter to those dependent on the unions who cannot compete in society. Then there is the public vs. private sector unions. Who do the public unions bargain with?

    Randal did you ever determine where the money comes from that the public union workers get to pay their union dues?
    laws can be changed, and are changed all the time, that is why big business has people in washington to lobby for them, to change laws, to make them more favorable to business...laws on the books don't mean squat if they are not enforced...and conservative...still collecting that social security check? you know, that 'entitlement' benefit that you lobby so hard against?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    laws can be changed, and are changed all the time, that is why big business has people in washington to lobby for them, to change laws, to make them more favorable to business...laws on the books don't mean squat if they are not enforced...and conservative...still collecting that social security check? you know, that 'entitlement' benefit that you lobby so hard against?
    Yep, still collecting what I contributed over the years and taking that money and donating to the charity of MY choice not yours. Laws can be changed and that is why we have elections. The will of the people has been changed to the will of the liberal elite. Like all liberals losing politicians always run when they don't get their way.

    Still waiting for you to tell us where the public unions get the money to pay their union dues? Results to union employees only matter when those results support their union rhetoric. It must suck for people to have so little self esteem that they cannot take care of themselves and require others to bargain for them. Never joined a union in my 35 years in the business world and never felt compelled to have someone else bargain for me. It really is a shame that someone as intelligent as you would delegate that ability to someone else. Any thoughts that you could do better?

    By the way, thank you unions for driving up costs.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i want the rest of you 'working stiffs', when you have a moment of clarity, to thank the unions for all that you have...8hr standard workday, minimum time and a half for overtime, weekends off, paid vacations, holidays such as christmas, thanksgiving.....not to mention improved health and safety rules, the 'unions' keeping the pressure on osha, which does nothing more than enforce(if that, more often a small fine) bare minimum standards, NOT THE STANDARDS THAT ARE THE MOST SAFE, the bare minimum, and they wouldnt do that without the unions holding the flame to their feet...some of you are so blind, so set in your thinking, as to belive that nothing would change if unions were to go out of existence...every day, big business is in washington, the local statehouses, to lobby to reduce worker protections, to lobby for lower safety standards, to lobby for laws to limit how and when overtime should be paid... yeah, life would suck without unions.
    I don't care about private unions. Let them flourish. Their negotiations take place at the table with people who have a bottom line to consider. They are using their own profits or lack thereof. They can't print money. In the public sector, negotiations take place at the table with people using taxpayer money. No profit/loss considerations at all. They can print money....by raising the taxes on the rest of us who shoulder these Rolls Royce benefit plans that are so totally out of line with the private sector as to be ludicrous. And the negotiators can give away the store to enrich their own campaign coffers.

    On the private side of pensions, only 11% offered defined benefit plans. On the public side, 90% of pensions are defined benefit plans. Absolutely ludicrous. Covet thy neighbor

    If you don't recognize the difference between a defined benefit and defined contribution plan, do some homework. Unless you are the recipient of one, no one in good conscience can support this difference. However, I strongly suspect that those arguing so vehemently on the side of this issue are recipients of this inexcusable taxpayer largess/theft.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yep, still collecting what I contributed over the years and taking that money and donating to the charity of MY choice not yours. Laws can be changed and that is why we have elections. The will of the people has been changed to the will of the liberal elite. Like all liberals losing politicians always run when they don't get their way.

    Still waiting for you to tell us where the public unions get the money to pay their union dues? Results to union employees only matter when those results support their union rhetoric. It must suck for people to have so little self esteem that they cannot take care of themselves and require others to bargain for them. Never joined a union in my 35 years in the business world and never felt compelled to have someone else bargain for me. It really is a shame that someone as intelligent as you would delegate that ability to someone else. Any thoughts that you could do better?
    i'm union proud buddy, i've worked in both union and non union shops, and definitely prefer a union shop, where i can have a voice, where i can be represented, where my boss just can't steamroll me out the door because he doesnt like the sports teams i'm a fan of, or he doesnt like me because i won't kiss his ass....i like knowing my boss has to have a VALID reason to be rid of me...oh, and conservative, you donating that entire social security check to charity? also, perhaps you should take a few more civics classes...just sayin'

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't care about private unions. Let them flourish. Their negotiations take place at the table with people who have a bottom line to consider. They are using their own profits or lack thereof. They can't print money. In the public sector, negotiations take place at the table with people using taxpayer money. No profit/loss considerations at all. They can print money....by raising the taxes on the rest of us who shoulder these Rolls Royce benefit plans that are so totally out of line with the private sector as to be ludicrous. And the negotiators can give away the store to enrich their own campaign coffers.

    On the private side of pensions, only 11% offered defined benefit plans. On the public side, 90% of pensions are defined benefit plans. Absolutely ludicrous. Covet thy neighbor

    If you don't recognize the difference between a defined benefit and defined contribution plan, do some homework. Unless you are the recipient of one, no one in good conscience can support this difference. However, I strongly suspect that those arguing so vehemently on the side of this issue are recipients of this inexcusable taxpayer largess/theft.
    what this comes down to, i've said it before, is union busting...my union brothers and sisters in wisconsin have already said that they will pick up more of the cost of their befefits...and i've also said before, if the governor wants to phase in something like a 401k plan in place of pensions, i'd be ok with that to....all the governor wants to do is break the unions, when all he has to do is come to the bargaining table, and he will get the concessions that he wants....this could be over monday if he would sit down today. and again, for the record, i recieve neither government nor will i receive an employer pension...but i do support my union brothers and sisters in wisconsin, who are in a fight with a governor who wants to screw them over.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    what this comes down to, i've said it before, is union busting...my union brothers and sisters in wisconsin have already said that they will pick up more of the cost of their befefits...and i've also said before, if the governor wants to phase in something like a 401k plan in place of pensions, i'd be ok with that to....all the governor wants to do is break the unions, when all he has to do is come to the bargaining table, and he will get the concessions that he wants....this could be over monday if he would sit down today. and again, for the record, i recieve neither government nor will i receive an employer pension...but i do support my union brothers and sisters in wisconsin, who are in a fight with a governor who wants to screw them over.
    You keep saying it's union busting. What say you to the fact that these Wisconsin public sector workers would still have more rights to negotiate than Federal employees? Or are those working in the Federal government peons being downtrodden by their masters?

    Since you are a member of a union, why don't you get a pension? Closed shop? If it weren't, your union would work harder to get you a pension.
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