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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Yeah. Working people sticking up for one another instead of trying to tear each other down is "thuggery".

    You side with the Koch Brothers who inherited their wealth and pretend to be $35 Billion victims, but hate teachers, cops, and fire fighters and think they're the "elites".
    The passion you have for labor unions is quite telling and ignores that this isn't about all labor unions but about public labor unions which you have yet to defend. FDR, probably the most pro union President in U.S. history, understood the problems with public unions and thus didn't support collective bargaining for those unions yet you and other liberals ignore that reality. This is about what is best for ALL the taxpayers of Wisconsin and thus for them to decide. Busing people in from around the country to show massive crowds is what unions do. Who is representing the will of the people in Wisconsin?

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Wisconsin and the GOP's War on the Middle Class



    "It is an act of war. America's class war has arrived on our doorstep with the subtlety of a daisy cutter. Now, the big questions are the outcome, and whether Democrats will show America whose side they are on.

    What Conservatives Really Want

    Conservatives are trying to eliminate the last "good jobs" left in America. They're not just targeting public employees and public employee unions, but the very concepts of a common good and a public interest. George Lakoff explained that "Conservatives really want to change the basis of American life, to make America run according to the conservative moral worldview in all areas of life," in which " ... it would be wrong for the government to provide health care, education, public broadcasting, public parks and so on."

    When abstract budget cuts translate into fewer teachers, police officers, health workers, firefighters, etc. in our communities, we begin to realize that such cuts hurt rather than heal. We provide these things because we believe meeting certain needs, whether or not it's profitable is a common good.

    We are faced with a conservative movement that rejects the common good, and sees it as the problem.

    Ideology vs. Reality: Something Has To Give

    Wisconsin and other states are where the irresistible force of ideology meets the immovable object of reality. Like the Johnny Mercer lyric that says, "something's gotta give." As America looked on at the amazing protests in Egypt, we heard how Egypt's economic inequality catalyzed a movement. We learned that economic inequality is worse here than in Egypt. It's no coincidence protesters in Cairo and Madison have exchanged statements of solidarity.


    What does it mean when Americans in Madison, Wis., see themselves in the same boat at protesters in Egypt? It means that our domestic economic policies have mirrored our economically driven foreign policy, with consequences as devastating to working and middle-class Americans. Mother Jones magazine spelled it out in just eight charts.

    A Lost Middle Class, Unbridled Corporate Power

    This attack on the things government does that support the middle class, comes when the middle class is already weakened by decades of conservative policies. If it succeeds, We're facing a "lost decade" in which middle and working-class Americans suffer the loss of these supports, facing stagnation and downward mobility, and worse. As Kevin Drum notes, destroying unions removes the only remaining counterbalance to corporate power.

    Wisconsin illustrates that conservative economic and fiscal policies create crises that Republicans then exploit to accomplish political ends -- weakening their opponents and increasing power for themselves and their cronies. In a short time, Walker has destroyed (and threatened to destroy more) jobs than his policies are likely to create. The $117 billion in tax breaks that Walker and the Republican legislature pushed through for GOP cronies basically created the very crisis he claims to address.

    That Walker refuses any compromise at all, even though the unions agreed to accept wage and benefit reductions as long as they keep the right to collective bargaining, shows that the budget isn't the point. Power is."
    Terrance Heath: Wisconsin and the GOP's War on the Middle Class[/QUOTE]

    an opinion from some far left hate the GOP moonbat site? why would the conservatives want to destroy good jobs-its the dem leadership that has an interest in keeping people in poverty or dependent on the government. what conservatives tire of are our tax dollars funding entities that use our tax dollars to support people like obama and pelosi and other such parasitic socialists



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The fact that right wingers have attempted to call something what it not is simply speaks to political tactics and NOT economic reality.

    It does not matter what anyone calls anything else when they are doing so for a blatant political purpose as part of a ideological campaign.

    All you have to do is show us in the law where there is a death tax. I gave YOU the law in your own state that you complained was a death tax. i gave the you he law and the language and it was an ESTATE TAX.

    So try again, and this time use the facts.
    you really go into hysterics when the death tax is called a death tax. Of course those who support this abominatio want to call it as benign a term as possible. the left has always try to couch their propaganda that way such as claiming the "rich" need to "pay their fair share" which is as blatant a lie as possible but if you and your masters said "we want to soak the rich so the masses keep voting for us" you'd have a harder time selling your class envy vote gathering schemes.


    since you most likely have never been affected by the federal death tax I don't think you have much standing to dictate to those of us who will be what to call it



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    So you admit that it's nothing but politics for you and NOT about working people.

    You want public workers to suffer the same loss of wages and benefits as private sector employees do.
    It's not about the state budget at all (because again, the union has already conceded the budget stuff); it's about turning the last sector of workers who maintain the right to organize into serfs like the rest of us.

    Never mind that a bunch of Tea Party heroes drool over their government checks to do nothing (i.e. farm subsidies). Don't do anything about them. Attack workers instead.
    No. The Governor of Wisconsin is trying to cut back collective bargaining rights of public employees to STILL more rights than Federal employees have.

    @ Haymarket -- though I fail to see what in the world Death Tax/Estate Tax has to do with this thread, everybody but you knows that the words Death Tax are synonymous with the words Estate Tax and are used most commonly by those who oppose taxing money just because someone dies. What a waste of time to argue that point.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    So you admit that it's nothing but politics for you and NOT about working people.

    You want public workers to suffer the same loss of wages and benefits as private sector employees do.

    It's not about the state budget at all (because again, the union has already conceded the budget stuff); it's about turning the last sector of workers who maintain the right to organize into serfs like the rest of us.

    Never mind that a bunch of Tea Party heroes drool over their government checks to do nothing (i.e. farm subsidies). Don't do anything about them. Attack workers instead.
    some here won't be happy until the average worker is working 16 hour days for pennies an hour...

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    some here won't be happy until the average worker is working 16 hour days for pennies an hour...
    mostly dem politicians

    if the vast majority of voters were doing ok there would be no 'need' for the welfare socialist nonsense rich dems get richer from



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    some here won't be happy until the average worker is working 16 hour days for pennies an hour...
    Some here won't be happy until taxpayers are no longer subsidizing Democrats' political campaigns through their "give-away-the-store" mentality at the bargaining table.

    Those who think their union is the only thing standing between them and 16-hour-days-for-pennies are probably right. For the rest of us working stiffs, we know we don't have to depend on a union's largess to get paid what we're worth. And, by "the rest of us working stiffs," read 88.1% of all workers in the United States.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    some here won't be happy until the average worker is working 16 hour days for pennies an hour...
    The huge corporations and conglomerates - whom conservatives cater to - will be tickled green.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    The huge corporations and conglomerates - whom conservatives cater to - will be tickled green.
    most conservatives don't want people to be in poverty because that condition is what the rich dems use to justify the income redistribution they tap into to gain wealth and power. Most of us on the right realize that the handouts dem masters use to buy votes are deleterious to America and most americans in the long run



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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    The huge corporations and conglomerates - whom conservatives cater to - will be tickled green.
    Yeah, those corporations and conglomerates can't wait for the day when we'll have no money to pay for their goods and services. Think, Tashah.
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