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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so lets give the union a million a person and all our children will be Rhodes Scholars?
    No. But if they can provide for their families, they will be better educators.

    Or do you believe that unhappy workers are better workers?
    Happy Employees Are Critical For An Organization's Success, Study Shows

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yeah. Working people sticking up for one another instead of trying to tear each other down is "thuggery".

    You side with the Koch Brothers who inherited their wealth and pretend to be $35 Billion victims, but hate teachers, cops, and fire fighters and think they're the "elites".

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Yeah. Working people sticking up for one another instead of trying to tear each other down is "thuggery".

    You side with the Koch Brothers who inherited their wealth and pretend to be $35 Billion victims, but hate teachers, cops, and fire fighters and think they're the "elites".
    I hate people justifying the rape of taxpayers for unions so they can charge more union dues and give more money to the democrats. This is political not about the workers.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I hate people justifying the rape of taxpayers for unions so they can charge more union dues and give more money to the democrats. This is political not about the workers.
    So you admit that it's nothing but politics for you and NOT about working people.

    You want public workers to suffer the same loss of wages and benefits as private sector employees do.

    It's not about the state budget at all (because again, the union has already conceded the budget stuff); it's about turning the last sector of workers who maintain the right to organize into serfs like the rest of us.

    Never mind that a bunch of Tea Party heroes drool over their government checks to do nothing (i.e. farm subsidies). Don't do anything about them. Attack workers instead.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its a death tax and millions call it that

    and you lie about what i said
    The fact that right wingers have attempted to call something what it not is simply speaks to political tactics and NOT economic reality.

    It does not matter what anyone calls anything else when they are doing so for a blatant political purpose as part of a ideological campaign.

    All you have to do is show us in the law where there is a death tax. I gave YOU the law in your own state that you complained was a death tax. i gave the you he law and the language and it was an ESTATE TAX.

    So try again, and this time use the facts.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so can you deny this after I posted citations to a study showing how many teachers are at the bottom of the classes

    I realize it must hurt but smart people generally dont become public school teachers


    Why aren't our teachers the best and the brightest? - From Our Inbox - MiamiHerald.com



    So why do top U.S. college students have so little interest in teaching careers compared with their counterparts in the world's best-performing nations

    Read more: Why aren't our teachers the best and the brightest? - From Our Inbox - MiamiHerald.com
    Aha! Turtle is attempting to move the goal posts. These articles simply present a case for changing the methods of teacher recruitment and paying teachers more. There is nothing in there at all which supplies hard data to support your boast made in post #1114 in this very thread. for those who want to refer to it, it is on page 112. Here it is

    teaching attracts the lower and lowest ranked HS students entering college.

    You have not presented any data which speaks to this claim. Your article talks about other tangential issues such as recruitment, pay and who makes up the top - BUT DOES NOT say anything about your boast in post #1114 found on page 112.

    teaching attracts the lower and lowest ranked HS students entering college.
    Let us see you produce that data and please stop moving the goal posts. It appears that what you are attempting to do is change the playing field and change your claim since you cannot find data which supports your original claim. If you claim that the world is flat, producing an observable flat section of land does not prove the claim.

    I would think asa trained courtroom lawyer that you would have extensive practice about presenting evidence. I know that when I debated for two years in college that our coach spent a great deal of time on evidence and we would have lost every debate and probably been kicked off the team if we attempted to present what you have presented.

    So Again, Turtle, I ask you to redirect your efforts to proving with hard data the claim that you made on post #1114 found on page 112

    teaching attracts the lower and lowest ranked HS students entering college.


    I read your three page article and it was very interesting. But it did nothing to provide any data to support your boast. In fact, you seem so desperate to come up with anything on the subject you failedto notice this in your own article

    In the United States, by contrast, only 23 percent of new teachers scored among the top third of SAT and ACT test-takers back in high school.
    So nearly one-quarter of the test takers who are called "new teachers" score in the top one-third. That all by itself shows your claim is ridiculous.

    Now all you need to do is show us that the other three-quarters all scored at the bottom and you can change you boast and again move the goal posts to try to claim some sort of victory.

    btw - I would love to see the actual data analyzing this and see the methodology employed. Eagerly awaiting it.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It is the taxpayers that pay and the Governor is representing the taxpayers in a proper way
    Did the governor give himself a pay cut? What about the state legislature? Do politicians deserve to earn as much or more than a teacher? What about their healthcare plan? Their pension plan? Their private offices? Their special license plates? Did the frugal governor address any of these taxpayer items?

    A crock of hypocrite crap.

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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Here it is for you Turtle - your own state of Ohio - from the official Ohio.gov website

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    The Ohio estate tax was enacted in 1968 to replace a state inheritance tax, but its roots can be traced back to 1893, when an inheritance tax was enacted during the McKinley administration.

    Under current law, the estates of residents with a net taxable value of $338,333 or less are effectively exempt from payment of the tax. A 6 percent tax rate applies to any net taxable value above that mark, up to $500,000. A 7 percent rate applies to any net taxable value over $500,000.

    For more information on the tax, see the options below.

    Annual report (PDF) — The estate tax chapter from the Ohio Department of Taxation's annual report is here.
    Forms — The estate tax return and instructions (ET 2) and all other estate tax forms are here.
    Frequently asked questions — Answers to the most common questions about this tax are located here.
    Information releases — These releases are technical advisories that offer detailed explanations of the laws, rules and rulings that govern the taxes administered by the Ohio Department of Taxation.
    Interest Rates — The interest rate that applies to overdue taxes changes each year. This page has the latest information.
    There is no death tax in Ohio.
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    Re: Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is true, in 2007 Buffett publicly challenged the members of the fortune 500 club to show him they paid a higher tax rate than their receptionist he would give them a million dollars. To this date he has had no takers.
    so what

    his patent attempts to suck up the dem politicians is obvious
    when you have as much money as he does gaining power and the love of the masses is all that is left

    what is true is that non one who is a billionaire is making that purely on salary so they have to have most of their income in lower taxed forms of income (though dividends are taxed twice so if you count the corporate profit cut that would be a more accurate reflection of tax rates). and since anyone making over 200K a year is paying the same top marginal rate on salaries as these guys its obvious what the overall rate is going to be

    but the fact remains-almost every person bringing in that sort of income-even if its all capital gains-pays more income taxes than millions upon millions of americans combined



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